[Pimpbrewski]

Ok now, since the other Quebec separatist thread can no longer found, decided to create a new one.

Also, it might be a good thing since we do not want to vear off the subject on the other threads.

This is a thread where Separatists and Federalists can share their political views.

[Stellar]

I don't see much separatists anymore, this thread might just go down the list if no separatists keep up with the forum.

[QuebecSpock]

Le vieux thread est ici. Cependant, il semble qu'il y ait un problème, il y a des messages jusqu'à la page 151 mais le thread se termine à la page 153. Ces deux pages vides semblent être la source du bug qui rend le thread invisible.

Voici le lien. Si un modérateur peut corriger le bug, ce serait apprécié.

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... start=2250

[Pimpbrewski]

I would like to invite Cmmd1 and other separatists to state their opinions on the advantages of having a sovereign Quebec. I really do not see what it would accomplish in the long run.

Culture, Language.... Canada does not oppress the province of Quebec for its culture and so forth. Actually Quebec has a slight advantage by the threat of separation since it seems to get more than many other provinces.

As Deneb has mentioned in another thread, there are some Quebecois that are proud Canadians. It does not take away the fact that we may also be proud Quebecois at the same time.

Please do tell.

[themasta]

It used to be that the only difference between "them and us" was that they were Canadien and we were Canadian. Sad how things have changed. Though there is still hope, one day our kids will look back and laugh at how silly this whole endeavour was. "Funny separtists", they'd say.

[Tman1]

Well Cmmd1 seems to be gone now but give a fly a piece of shit and it will come buzzing.

[canucker]

QuebecSpock wrote:

Le vieux thread est ici. Cependant, il semble qu'il y ait un problème, il y a des messages jusqu'à la page 151 mais le thread se termine à la page 153. Ces deux pages vides semblent être la source du bug qui rend le thread invisible.

Voici le lien. Si un modérateur peut corriger le bug, ce serait apprécié.

http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?nam ... start=2250

It's very weird that I can understand you.

[Blue_Nose]

I'd like to add my first (and potentially sole) idea on this matter. I was listening to an 'Ideas' episode on crisises tonight, and it got me thinking. I was going to make another thread, but ther seems to be plenty on the subject already, and I'm hoping it isn't completely old news....

(I'd humiliate myself by posting in french, so I hope all can follow my argument)

I watch this clash between federalists and seperatists from Quebec, as well as the opinions of other Canadians, and I'm starting to think that you (Quebecers) enjoy it. Why else is the seperatist thread the longest in CKA history? Why do seperatists threaten to have referendums as often as possible?

One (and I'd suggest most significant of all) of the factors which drives the seperatist movement is this constant clash with the rest of Canada. Nothing unites the people like a common enemy. But what will happen if Quebec actually succeeds in seperating? What will be the common bond between (at last count) 49% of Quebecers? I don't think your sense of culture is actually as strong as it seems, other than the desire to dissociate from Canada.

Take a social crisis as an analogy. People are inifinitely generous in opening their homes and wallets to those affected by a flood, or tsunami, or ice storm (ahem), because there is a sense of unification against, in this case, environmental disastre. But how many people would be so generous without a disastre? Would you let a stranger who lost his home stay in your home? How about a stranger who's on his way to his friend's house who just wants a place to sleep? One can see how differently one considers their social duty when not confronting some larger cause.

So I ask, is Quebec actually that anxious to get out of Canada? Why all the incessant debate as entertainment? Who will be there to rally against once you're on your own? Rest assured that if you leave, we'll wash our hands of you.

[Optinum]

" je veux un quebec libre dans un canada fort"

bohwa! to yvon deschamp, doh je ne m'en souvient plus vraiment sont nom de famille.


moi je demande bien pourquoi on devrais débatre de la question de la souvreainté avec des anglais qui saute sur la premiere ocasion de traité tout se qui est separatiste de Racist, xenophobie, de nazie et blablabla. puis c'est comme parlé politic avec un écervelé, ca mene juste a rien. ils ont juste trop lu le nationnal post et tout les editoriaux de tamouin.

mon theorie sur ca
le canada s'ennuie des batailles dans les match de hockey ou des habs Vs meaple leaft.

Why quebec should becaume a soveraight nation? bah, just look at the evolution of societies in the historie of post industrial revolution, industrial revolution the french revolution the liberal movement.

i love to see one day in my living life, to see a free and independant quebec state, and before you shoot that separatist did never go out of the country, this is false. im in chile, im trilingual and i did travel all over america ( U.S includ) except canada hahahha.
o meaby, you may still give a lots of money at a federal party like PLQ to say to quebecer: Hey look, the federal are good for quebec!

LIVE HAPPY, THAT's AN ORDER

[Proculation]

Same old false and stereotypic BS as usual Optinum.

At least, try to thinnk by your own !!

Let the emotion aside and speak with your mind.

[Streaker]

Blue_Nose wrote:

I'd like to add my first (and potentially sole) idea on this matter. I was listening to an 'Ideas' episode on crisises tonight, and it got me thinking. I was going to make another thread, but ther seems to be plenty on the subject already, and I'm hoping it isn't completely old news....

(I'd humiliate myself by posting in french, so I hope all can follow my argument)

I watch this clash between federalists and seperatists from Quebec, as well as the opinions of other Canadians, and I'm starting to think that you (Quebecers) enjoy it. Why else is the seperatist thread the longest in CKA history? Why do seperatists threaten to have referendums as often as possible?

One (and I'd suggest most significant of all) of the factors which drives the seperatist movement is this constant clash with the rest of Canada. Nothing unites the people like a common enemy. But what will happen if Quebec actually succeeds in seperating? What will be the common bond between (at last count) 49% of Quebecers? I don't think your sense of culture is actually as strong as it seems, other than the desire to dissociate from Canada.

Take a social crisis as an analogy. People are inifinitely generous in opening their homes and wallets to those affected by a flood, or tsunami, or ice storm (ahem), because there is a sense of unification against, in this case, environmental disastre. But how many people would be so generous without a disastre? Would you let a stranger who lost his home stay in your home? How about a stranger who's on his way to his friend's house who just wants a place to sleep? One can see how differently one considers their social duty when not confronting some larger cause.

So I ask, is Quebec actually that anxious to get out of Canada? Why all the incessant debate as entertainment? Who will be there to rally against once you're on your own? Rest assured that if you leave, we'll wash our hands of you.

Excellent post, Blue_Nose. I've been wondering for some time if the separatists aren't really just a bunch of attention whores.

What other reason could there be for a separatist to come to CKA to bitch and whine about the failure of Meech Lake?

[Pimpbrewski]

Blue_Nose wrote:

I watch this clash between federalists and seperatists from Quebec, as well as the opinions of other Canadians, and I'm starting to think that you (Quebecers) enjoy it.

You may be right Although I must say that one of the things that attracted me to this forum was to show Canadians that there are people that do care about Canada inside of Quebec. The separatists seem to voice their opinions a little stronger and they seem to love to be heard.

Blue_Nose wrote:

People are inifinitely generous in opening their homes and wallets to those affected by a flood, or tsunami, or ice storm (ahem), because there is a sense of unification

I like the word unification. It seems there could be so much more accomplished if the parties could work together instead of bickering at each other for the dumbest policies. Take the Bloc for instance, they are there only for their own interest.

[Optinum]

money dont talk to me if you want to know.

" Same old false and stereotypic BS as usual Optinum. "

bah quand tu commence a choisir les ingrediant dans ton sandwich et que tu commence par TOMATOES en anglais dans un subways dans la ville de toronto et que tu te fait pas comprendre par une anglaise blanche, je me dit que "wan, les stereotipe sont bien plus repandu que je croyais"
et puis ci ce pays ne se comprend pas entre eux, ben qui sen separe, ya des gens dans l'ouest qui l'on tres bien compris.

mais striker, qui a commencer ce post? Pimpbrewski, ca doit etre un quebecois en manque dattention je crois


to Blue_Nose
but im all with you with your humanist view, but what is national affair is national affair

[Streaker]

Optinum, you're upset with Canada because someone in Toronto couldn't understand you when you asked for tomatoes on your sub?

[Optinum]

Streaker:
non, juste pas croire quand un politicien comme jean-chretien paul martin , stephane dion, ou le ptit nouveau jean lapierre dire que cest pas vrai que les canadiens aiment pas les quebecois. mais bon, je mets pas toute les canadiens dans un sac, c juste que ya une porcions de eux que je metterais bien dans un blinder pour en faire de la nourriture pour chien.

en passant, je trouve que jean lapierre est vraiment plus chian et haissable que stephane dion! Who's with me??