[DrCaleb]

EyeBrock wrote:

What are you going on about scape?

That this tory staffer is nothing like Assange.

[Scape]

What are you going on about EB? That Tory has, at best, more to do with Bradley Manning then he does with Assange, and that would also mean that Manning had a rank of an officer and not a Private in order for your version to hold any water at all.

[EyeBrock]

Scape wrote:

What are you going on about EB? That Tory has, at best, more to do with Bradley Manning then he does with Assange, and that would also mean that Manning had a rank of an officer and not a Private in order for your version to hold any water at all.

Neither stole the information so the Manning analogy is moot.

Assange and the staffer both used information they were not entitled to assume ownership of, to further their own agendas. One for cash and the other for notoriety, bragging rights in his hacker community and to make the Yanks look bad.

Simple stuff really.

[Zipperfish]

DrCaleb wrote:

Classifying things incorrectly because they are too lazy to think is also wrong. Citizens make decisions at the polling booth based on information provided by the government, and about the government. Having the government classify everything as 'secret', and then tell us it will be making huge decisions such as ACTA, NAFTA, the SPPNA (all about jellybeans!) and others; because we don't have enough information to be well informed on the subject - is just wrong. Governments need some embarrassment, or lots of unemployment.

The difference between them being, the budget is something that can hurt a lot of people before it's openly published - and loses it's classification after it's released. The transcript of the Monebello talks, where big business met with top government officials, is still classified. That is exactly the kind of thing that Wikileaks should be leaking. And does leak.

I agree with this. The government has become so accomplished at its media handling that Canadians get absolutely nothing out of them. Judges routinely ban media from courtrooms. It's years since the BC Rail fiasco out here, when the police served a warrant on the BC Legislature, and we still don't have the full story. By the time the truth comes out, all those that profitted from it will have moved on.

And as mentioned before, has anyone visited the government site concerned with our engagement in Afghanistan. It is utter drivel. There is no way you can divine any useful information from that puff piece.

The political style of choice right now is strong centralization (in the PMO and, here in BC, in the Premier's Office) and a muzzling of political staff and civil servants. It's been revealed that Conservatives have regularly been interfering with Access to Information requests.

It is all about control the message, and the people are poorer for it.

[Scape]

EyeBrock wrote:

Scape wrote:

What are you going on about EB? That Tory has, at best, more to do with Bradley Manning then he does with Assange, and that would also mean that Manning had a rank of an officer and not a Private in order for your version to hold any water at all.

Neither stole the information so the Manning analogy is moot.

Assange and the staffer both used information they were not entitled to assume ownership of, to further their own agendas. One for cash and the other for notoriety, bragging rights in his hacker community and to make the Yanks look bad.

Simple stuff really.

Assange doesn't work for the intel community so he never had 1st hand access to the secrets that are being leaked. This tory staffer did, just like Manning had access, but he used it to pad his resume.

Simple stuff indeed.

[EyeBrock]

Both had agendas and both used information that wasn't theirs for their own ends.

But the difference to you wiki-worshippers is that one was working for the Tories and the other seems to hate Yanks.

Really simple stuff.

[2Cdo]

EyeBrock wrote:

Both had agendas and both used information that wasn't theirs for their own ends.

But the difference to you wiki-worshippers is that one was working for the Tories and the other seems to hate Yanks.

Really simple stuff.

Binjo! Substitute Liberal party for Tories and Canadians for Yanks and the Assange fan club would be screaming for his head.

[Scape]

EyeBrock wrote:

Both had agendas and both used information that wasn't theirs for their own ends.

Check.

EyeBrock wrote:

But the difference to you wiki-worshippers is that one was working for the Tories and the other seems to hate Yanks.

Really simple stuff.

Now that's your agenda kicking in. The Tory staffer admitted he was doing this to get a job. If it was a NDP or a Lib the result would be exactly the same.

As for Pvt Manning I don't see him getting promises of a payout and even if he was he will not have the freedom to enjoy it. Your comparison falls apart.

[EyeBrock]

So Assange has no agenda? Really?

[Scape]

Assange does not handle intel, he receives it. What we are talking about is the agenda of the people who have access to this stuff old boy, do try and keep up.