[andyt]

Brenda wrote:

Why are women's prisons more expensive?

(keep the smart ass comments to yourself, I am really wondering why that is)

Because they get far more programs and goodies than male max security prisoners. It's not economy of scale, it's that they're not warehoused the same way the male cons are.

[andyt]

OnTheIce wrote:

Yea, prosecuting criminals is too expensive. Just let them do their thing and save us some money.

Fuck the victims....let's let rapists out in 4 months cause they've been good boys.

Yeah, being tough on crime a la US is really working out for them. To the point where even Newt Gingrich and other Republicons area calling for reform. But since we like to do everything in Canada the US does, only years later, I guess the snarling dog view of things will prevail here. Harrrrrrg, just shot em all, haaaarrrrgggggg.

[Brenda]

andyt wrote:

Brenda wrote:

Why are women's prisons more expensive?

(keep the smart ass comments to yourself, I am really wondering why that is)

Because they get far more programs and goodies than male max security prisoners. It's not economy of scale, it's that they're not warehoused the same way the male cons are.

Like what?
The only more goodies they need is pads or IUD's (so they won't need pads). And (if they can keep their newborns) services for newborns, but only as long as they breastfeed (I don't know what rules and regs are about that, but I can imagine that is something that is available).

[andyt]

Brenda wrote:

andyt wrote:

Brenda wrote:

Why are women's prisons more expensive?

(keep the smart ass comments to yourself, I am really wondering why that is)

Because they get far more programs and goodies than male max security prisoners. It's not economy of scale, it's that they're not warehoused the same way the male cons are.

Like what?
The only more goodies they need is pads or IUD's (so they won't need pads). And (if they can keep their newborns) services for newborns, but only as long as they breastfeed (I don't know what rules and regs are about that, but I can imagine that is something that is available).

They get much plusher accommodation and a lot more programs than male cons.

[Brenda]

andyt wrote:

Brenda wrote:

andyt wrote:

Because they get far more programs and goodies than male max security prisoners. It's not economy of scale, it's that they're not warehoused the same way the male cons are.

Like what?
The only more goodies they need is pads or IUD's (so they won't need pads). And (if they can keep their newborns) services for newborns, but only as long as they breastfeed (I don't know what rules and regs are about that, but I can imagine that is something that is available).

They get much plusher accommodation and a lot more programs than male cons.

Again, like what?

[andyt]

do you ever watch TV news or read the newspapers? I don't just dream this stuff up. I hear about it in the media. Sometimes I wonder if I live in a different Canada or something.

http://www.ucco-sacc.csn.qc.ca/ScriptorWeb/scripto.asp?resultat=300301P&lastPage=411908

Quote:

Goldring believes female convicts should be treated the same as their male counterparts, with similar security features in both men's and women's jails. "I've visited other female prisons in Canada and they're just not designed for medium, yet alone maximum, security and this is a very good example of what can happen. You have to drop the distinction between men and woman," said Goldring. "The fact someone nearly escaped should be a wake-up call."

"This kind of activity is quite rare," said Sears. Goldring disagrees. He believes incidents like this one occur frequently in women's prisons, where perimeter fences are approximately 2.4 metres, compared with 5.4 metres in men's institutions. He added women's prisons are furnished with wooden beds and ceramic toilet fixtures, which unlike steel, can be more easily turned into weapons.

"We cannot understand why there are two levels of security for inmates for male and female institutions," said Grabowsky. "Society is protected differently according to gender. If you're a criminal, you're a criminal." He wants the Correctional Service of Canada to create a special handling unit for violent female offenders, like there is for men. He also wants the department to act upon a series of recommendations made in 2002 that included calls for solid walls and better surveillance. "They never even followed up on their own advice and we wonder why," said Grabowsky.

Sears was unable to comment on the situation in women's prisons across the country, but stressed the circumstances that bring women into conflict are different than those of men. For that reason, women have different needs, he said. An investigation into the woman's near-escape is underway. According to Sears, some security changes have been made in direct response.

[OnTheIce]

andyt wrote:

OnTheIce wrote:

Yea, prosecuting criminals is too expensive. Just let them do their thing and save us some money.

Fuck the victims....let's let rapists out in 4 months cause they've been good boys.

Yeah, being tough on crime a la US is really working out for them. To the point where even Newt Gingrich and other Republicons area calling for reform. But since we like to do everything in Canada the US does, only years later, I guess the snarling dog view of things will prevail here. Harrrrrrg, just shot em all, haaaarrrrgggggg.

It's not about being tough on crime andy, it's about making these criminal serve the sentence they were handed down in a court.

We have people walking free from various crimes after a fraction of their initial sentence. We have people given 2 for 1 credit based on poor conditions in certain jails.

For victims of crime, it's a joke to see people someone who was drunk and killed your husband or wife walk out of jail after 10 months. There are so many other situations like this, it's embarrassing what our "justice" system has become.

[andyt]

OnTheIce wrote:

It's not about being tough on crime andy, it's about making these criminal serve the sentence they were handed down in a court.

We have people walking free from various crimes after a fraction of their initial sentence. We have people given 2 for 1 credit based on poor conditions in certain jails.

For victims of crime, it's a joke to see people someone who was drunk and killed your husband or wife walk out of jail after 10 months. There are so many other situations like this, it's embarrassing what our "justice" system has become.

I think we do need sentencing reform - I'm not for people getting slaps on the wrist for serious offences either. But we also need prison reform that focuses more in rehabilitation to prevent recidivism. And most of all we need strategies like poverty alleviation that will further reduce the crime rate.

I wonder how the western countries that have much lower incarceration rates than we do (never mind the Americans) have manged not to collapse into criminal chaos, in fact seem to have less crime than we do? I mean Russia and American have the highest per capita incarceration rates in the world, and they're not exactly low crime countries.

[BeaverFever]

And now in Ontario the provincial Conservative Party's Idiot-In-Chief is campaigning on a $20M promise to require all prison inmates to serve on chain-gangs, so they can steal jobs from public employees, maintaining parks and picking up trash.

More populist pandering to the irrational fears of the frightened suburbanite.