[andyt]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-ignites-storm-over-guides-description-honour-killings-20110315-083622-800.html

Quote:

Trudeau argued that the government should have qualified violence against women as "absolutely unacceptable" instead of belittling other cultures with the word "barbaric."..."I suggested 'totally unacceptable' off the top of my head. Clear, strong, and objective, without being 'us civilized, you not.'"

Anybody got a good facepalm pic?

[OnTheIce]

Was he always this much of a tool or did this start after the lobotomy?

[andyt]

I had high hopes for him. I'd like to be able to vote liberal, there are lots of things I don't agree with the Reformacons with. But this sort of moral relativism is just bullshit and good way to destroy the country. His argument is that he doesn't want to say people who honor kill are less civilized than we are - holy fuck.

[BartSimpson]

Honor killings are barbaric. So is any culture that allows them or tolerates them in any way, shape, or form.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

The act of outright murder is barbaric. I have grave doubts anyone would prefer the term "absolutely unacceptable" over "barbaric" when desecribing the actions of oh say..Paul Bernardo.
Calling murder barbaric is calling it for what it is, no matter what the cultural background of the killer is.

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

The act of outright murder is barbaric. I have grave doubts anyone would prefer the term "absolutely unacceptable" over "barbaric" when desecribing the actions of oh say..Paul Bernardo.
Calling murder barbaric is calling it for what it is, no matter what the cultural background of the killer is.

Right on. You should send this post to Trudeau - gets right to the heart of the matter.

[Yogi]

he's as much of an idiot as his old man was!

[PublicAnimalNo9]

You think I should?...Cool. Good idea, I'm glad you thought of it

[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

You think I should?...Cool. Good idea, I'm glad you thought of it

I'm thinking of it - tell him while I don't support the Reformacons, this is the sort of bullshit that will eventually drive me into their arms.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Too late, I sent him my awesome post before you posted that

[bootlegga]

Quote:

OTTAWA - Liberal reaction to the Conservatives' new citizenship guide has unleashed a storm over semantics that led Justin Trudeau to issue an apology of sorts.

The government published its new citizenship guide on Monday, including a mention that Canada accepts gay marriages and respects gay and lesbian rights — facts that were omitted in an earlier draft.

But Trudeau, the Liberal immigration critic, is drawing controversy for his response to another element of the guide: its description of honour killings as a "barbaric" cultural practice.

Trudeau argued that the government should have qualified violence against women as "absolutely unacceptable" instead of belittling other cultures with the word "barbaric."

His argument immediately set off howls of protest from Conservative bloggers, the Prime Minister's Office and the immigration minister.

Their condemnations and the subsequent fallout online brought about an apology from Trudeau, who called all violence against women barbaric.

"My Liberal critic says the Government should exercise 'responsible neutrality' in discussing honour killings," Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said via Twitter on Monday night.

"Liberal cultural relativism is precisely what undermines public support for multiculturalism. Its (sic) wrong & irresponsible."

Trudeau defended himself on Twitter early Tuesday morning.

"My problem with the use of the word barbaric is that it was chosen to reassure Canadians rather than actually change unacceptable behaviours," he said.

"I suggested 'totally unacceptable' off the top of my head. Clear, strong, and objective, without being 'us civilized, you not.'"

Trudeau told the PMO that he believes honour killings are barbaric, but "my issue is with tone and target audience in regards to the guide."

But as mockery of Trudeau's comments exploded online, he eventually conceded he may have been misinterpreted.

"Ok, final word: all violence against women is barbaric. If my concerns about language led some to think otherwise, then I gladly apologize," Trudeau tweeted.

As Kenney and other prominent Tories made hay with the issue on talk shows and at news conferences, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff declared the matter closed.

"Let’s not play word games with this stuff. Canada is based on equality between the sexes, equality of respect. There’s no such thing as an 'honour' killing. There’s only killing, and it’s a crime everywhere," Ignatieff said in Montreal.

The NDP's immigration critic joined the debate, saying the government is correct to condemn honour killings in its citizenship guide, but taking issue with the term "honour."

"There can never be 'honour' in the killing of women and all violence against women must be opposed," Olivia Chow tweeted.

"Perversely named 'honour killings' are barbaric whether they take place here or anywhere else in the world. It is appropriate for any Canadian citizenship guide to make this crystal clear."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-ignite ... 2-800.html

[2Cdo]

Yogi wrote:

he's as much of an idiot as his old man was!

Well said!

[GreenTiger]

Enough of Political Correctness. Honour Killing is barbaric. There is no way to "qualify" it not in Canada, the US or any other part of the world. If somebody chooses to be offended so be it.

[GreenTiger]

BartSimpson wrote:

Honor killings are barbaric. So is any culture that allows them or tolerates them in any way, shape, or form.

[Choban]

Too much PC BS in the world today when we can't even describe something accuaretly on the barest chance it would offend someone.
What a stupid race we have become