[desertdude]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/s ... story.html

[andyt]

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More immigrants than jobs: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=b5d0933a-a89f-4a56-b2be-85936a1c09ac

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Make immigrants take oath of loyalty

TORONTO - The federal government should require new immigrants to take an oath of loyalty to Canada and its values -- and deport them if they breach it, a former diplomat says in a study of counter-terrorism policies released yesterday: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=455b97a8-6e5b-4720-bde4-2b5113fa4bc3

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Serious debate needed on immigration numbers: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/09/28/15509306.html

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Centre for Immigration Policy Reform http://www.immigrationreform.ca/index.shtml

1. Immigration increases the size of Canada’s population and economy but does not improve Canadians' standard of living.

2. It is estimated that recent immigrants receive billions of dollars a year more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

3. Only 17% of immigrants admitted each year are fully assessed on the basis of their employment and language skills.

4. While the average age of Canadians is increasing and the proportion of seniors will almost double in the next few decades, immigration will do very little to offset this trend despite the widely held belief that it will do so.

5. There are more than 100,000 parents and grandparents of immigrants who have met requirements and are waiting to enter Canada. They will receive the benefits of our public health care system without having contributed to costs by paying income tax.

6. Most of the quarter of million people who immigrate to Canada every year are not interviewed by a visa officer to determine if they are well-suited to integrate into Canadian society and its economy.

7. Far more Canadians want immigration levels lowered rather than increased. Despite this, and the lack of economic or demographic benefits to Canadians, we maintain the highest per capita intake in the world.

[EyeBrock]

Well said Andy.

Immigration seems to be just benefitting the immigrants and not our country these days.

[desertdude]

andyt wrote:

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Make immigrants take oath of loyalty

TORONTO - The federal government should require new immigrants to take an oath of loyalty to Canada and its values -- and deport them if they breach it, a former diplomat says in a study of counter-terrorism policies released yesterday.

Oh ! I thought you already had to do that. Is it not the case ?

[Brenda]

No. Wannabe immigrants don't have to do anything but fill out the paperwork, pay, and wait. When you land, all you have to do is answer a few questions, show your assets, give them an address where they can send your PR-card to, and you're done.

[andyt]

EyeBrock wrote:

Well said Andy.

Immigration seems to be just benefitting the immigrants and not our country these days.

I didn't actually say anything, let the quotes speak for me. Those are by Martin Callacot who was High Commissioner to Sri Lanka, and the Immigration group has him on it as well as other former immigration officials. These guys know what they are talking about and have seen the bullshit first hand.

[martin14]

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5. There are more than 100,000 parents and grandparents of immigrants who have met requirements and are waiting to enter Canada. They will receive the benefits of our public health care system without having contributed to costs by paying income tax.

That needs to be stopped.. right now

Good finds andy

[ASLplease]

EyeBrock wrote:

Well said Andy.

Immigration seems to be just benefitting the immigrants and not our country these days.

A very good friend of mine has married the woman that he loves. She is ukrainian, its taken 6 months to establish that my friend earns enough money to take care of her. And, now it'll be another 6-8 months before she will be able to come to Canada.

I'd like to find out who is benefitting from this delay. Maybe you could add them to this list of yours?

[Brenda]

No offense, but he is one who loves her. How many marry Mail-order-brides?

It's too bad the good have to suffer, but the wait will be worth it for the rest of their lives.

[andyt]

ASLplease wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Well said Andy.

Immigration seems to be just benefitting the immigrants and not our country these days.

A very good friend of mine has married the woman that he loves. She is ukrainian, its taken 6 months to establish that my friend earns enough money to take care of her. And, now it'll be another 6-8 months before she will be able to come to Canada.

I'd like to find out who is benefitting from this delay. Maybe you could add them to this list of yours?

Nobody's benefitting - we just don't have enough immigration officials to handle the volume. So many slip thru because there's no staff to deal with them. Note that only 17% of immigrants actually are ever assessed by a visa officer. You want to change that, clamor to raise your taxes to pay for it.

And yest, with all the marriage scams being perpetrated by Asians, it's good that they don't just give your friend's wife a free pass.

[KorbenDeck]

Sad to say but it depends on where the immigrant come from, before they used to come from western Europe which worked fine. Not to many cultural barriers to overcome, had a same basic sets of values/morals/beliefs (Christianity), and they were the same people who had been settling and integrating into Canada for hundreds of years. Finally for the most part these people wanted to be "Canadian" and they did their damn best to be a Canadian


Recently though it has changed from Europeans to South East Asia and the Middle East. There many cultural barriers, no same basic set of basic values/morals/beliefs (Islam and Hinduism), and not the same people who had been settling and integrating into Canada for hundreds of years. Many new immigrants don't want to be Canadian, they want Canada to become New Mecca or India and every time we resist changing our laws to fit backwards customs we get harassed, taken to court and called racist.

Then there is the fact that financially Canada isn't benefiting from most of the immigrants that come here anymore. We hand out more money than we receive back, and we do it all in the hopes that some of the immigrants who come to Canada will raise children who will be part of Canada, though even now we are seeing that is becoming less likely.

So one can understand why Canadians are starting to get fed up with immigration.

[ASLplease]

I am aware of the scams, and so is my friend. He's 45 years old, he doesnt need me or the government to tell him who he should or shouldnt marry.

[Brenda]

ASLplease wrote:

I am aware of the scams, and so is my friend. He's 45 years old, he doesnt need me or the government to tell him who he should or shouldnt marry.

They don't. They are telling him who he can bring into the country.

[andyt]

ASLplease wrote:

I am aware of the scams, and so is my friend. He's 45 years old, he doesnt need me or the government to tell him who he should or shouldnt marry.

He can marry who he wants. The govt has to do due dilligence that it's a legitimate marriad. If we weren't swamped with 250,000 immigrants every year and all the fake marriages, your friends wife would have been processed much sooner. So it goes. Rationalize our immigration system so it puts Canada's interests first, and responds to economic conditions, not the for the politicians who want votes, and your friend wouldn't have been caught up in this mess.

[ASLplease]

I could care less how many taxi cab drivers come to Canada, I dont plan on driving taxi