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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:49 pm
 


With Energy East, mostly all I hear here in Quebec is that they should go to the western coast to get the oil out. Well, actually, it comes with the proper anti-Alberta/ROC and anti-oil rhetoric.

But, how is it going for the western pipelines ? I've heard one was postponed by the NEB and the other was rejected.

Do you have more information ?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:52 pm
 


Vancouver Sun said moratorium being declared on tanker traffic on BC N coast imminent of being declared. That would put the final nail in the Enbridge coffin no matter what. Only leaves Kinder Morgan. The recent diesel spill and poor response in Vancouver didn't help that company make its case.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:05 pm
 


Kinder Morgan is the one that is already built across the mountains ?


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Yes, it would have to be doubled and would ship out of Vancouver. Already been some conflict just around the surveying of the line, probably be a big hullaballoo if the attempt was made to actually build it. One reassurance is that the Liberals have agreed to re-open the Kitsilano Coast Guard base, but for many people, including myself, they would have to demonstrate that major safety precautions and spill response systems are in place.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:15 pm
 


I'm not a pipeline engineer but I know that most of the pipeline for Energy East is already there. It's a gas pipeline to be converted to oil. Is it safe ? From what I have read, the pressure is not supposed to be higher. But, liquids doesn't pressurize like gazes. That's why we use hydraulics in machinery.

But for the new section going from east of Ontario, across Quebec and to NB, it's a brand new pipeline.

How come that should be such a problem since we have a lot of those pipelines near Montreal crossing the Saint-Laurent river since decades ?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:19 pm
 


Politics apart, what I think is that building a new pipeline across the Mountains would be harder than building a new pipeline on the flats of east Canada towards NB.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:34 pm
 


The pipeline east makes the most sense in my book. Even the NDP is for it. Not because of the oil that would be exported, but because of the domestic oil that would replace the oil eastern Canada imports.

I think pipeline companies need to make a better case that their pipes will be safe. The Keystone spill in N Dakota didn't help them there. Also, they should have to put up bonds or what have you that shows the money is in place to handle any clean up, even a large one, and the public doesn't get saddled with the cost. This is the problem with pipes - Alberta gets the benefits, but the areas the pipe runs thru suffer the consequences of any spill.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:41 pm
 


From what I hear in Quebec media, ALL the oil will be exported. So, Quebec is just a land to pass for Alberta companies to make money. I think that if it was the truth, the pipeline would not pass near Montreal and Quebec, where the oil refineries are. What's true and what's not ?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:43 pm
 


I've never heard that all the oil is for export, always that it was also meant for domestic use in eastern Canada. That's the biggest selling point for me for this project. You may want to do more research on this topic.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:10 pm
 


andyt wrote:
I've never heard that all the oil is for export, always that it was also meant for domestic use in eastern Canada. That's the biggest selling point for me for this project. You may want to do more research on this topic.


The thing is that I have. And your answers confirm what I have read.
My concern is about the things that are said over and over in the media. Not only on the social networks but mostly on Radio Canada and the other big TV network in Quebec, TVA.

Only 40% of people are bilingual in Quebec and most of them are in Montreal. The rest only get their information from the french TV and social networks.

Do you have that in the ROC in the media ? Not the language barrier but the misinformation ?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:04 pm
 


andyt wrote:
Yes, it would have to be doubled and would ship out of Vancouver. Already been some conflict just around the surveying of the line, probably be a big hullaballoo if the attempt was made to actually build it. One reassurance is that the Liberals have agreed to re-open the Kitsilano Coast Guard base, but for many people, including myself, they would have to demonstrate that major safety precautions and spill response systems are in place.


Yeah, who gives a shit that Kinder Morgan has operated for more than 60 years without a single maritime spill, right?

https://www.transmountain.com/

The hysteria in Vancouver around the Trans-Mountain expansion has no merit whatsoever - the hippies in BC don't want the pipeline because it's oil, and instead think we should power our society with rainbows and good intentions.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:06 pm
 


Well, there's a well reasoned argument.


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bootlegga wrote:
andyt wrote:
Yes, it would have to be doubled and would ship out of Vancouver. Already been some conflict just around the surveying of the line, probably be a big hullaballoo if the attempt was made to actually build it. One reassurance is that the Liberals have agreed to re-open the Kitsilano Coast Guard base, but for many people, including myself, they would have to demonstrate that major safety precautions and spill response systems are in place.


Yeah, who gives a shit that Kinder Morgan has operated for more than 60 years without a single maritime spill, right?

https://www.transmountain.com/

The hysteria in Vancouver around the Trans-Mountain expansion has no merit whatsoever - the hippies in BC don't want the pipeline because it's oil, and instead think we should power our society with rainbows and good intentions.

Didn't city work crews in Burnaby strike the pipeline, causing it to burst a few years back?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:06 pm
 


Canadian_Mind wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
andyt wrote:
Yes, it would have to be doubled and would ship out of Vancouver. Already been some conflict just around the surveying of the line, probably be a big hullaballoo if the attempt was made to actually build it. One reassurance is that the Liberals have agreed to re-open the Kitsilano Coast Guard base, but for many people, including myself, they would have to demonstrate that major safety precautions and spill response systems are in place.


Yeah, who gives a shit that Kinder Morgan has operated for more than 60 years without a single maritime spill, right?

https://www.transmountain.com/

The hysteria in Vancouver around the Trans-Mountain expansion has no merit whatsoever - the hippies in BC don't want the pipeline because it's oil, and instead think we should power our society with rainbows and good intentions.

Didn't city work crews in Burnaby strike the pipeline, causing it to burst a few years back?


Yup, but IIRC it was contractor who didn't bother phoning BC1 and just started digging.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:25 pm
 


3 companies plead guilty to Burnaby oil spill

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.1005862


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