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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 6:30 pm
 


saturn_656 saturn_656:
Are the situations the same? No.

Is Russia at a fiscal disadvantage (again)? Yep. It's an economic lightweight compared to the NATO powers, with stalling economic growth and bonds trading just above junk grade.

They can't win a game of dollars and cents. What they can win is a contest of will.

They have it, we don't.


True, but I'd wager there's more political will to spend money on expansion in Russia than in NATO to fight it.


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 7:52 pm
 


saturn_656 saturn_656:
Are the situations the same? No.

Is Russia at a fiscal disadvantage (again)? Yep. It's an economic lightweight compared to the NATO powers, with stalling economic growth and bonds trading just above junk grade.

They can't win a game of dollars and cents. What they can win is a contest of will.

They have it, we don't.

Your error is assuming that this is a contest against just Russia. It isn't.


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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:12 pm
 


Goober911 Goober911:

The long game is Russia will turn into an economic mess. The Russian economy is dependent upon NG-Oil exports.
Credit rating 1 level above junk bond status.

As the EU weans themselves away, most will have better options, problem is Russia buys billions from Germany.


On that note, Lithuania is building port facilities to accept LNG by sea, from scratch.

Crash program they hope to finish this year.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 4:29 am
 


That's the idea. I wish that the apparently spineless Germans would start thinking along those lines.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:35 am
 


Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
That's the idea. I wish that the apparently spineless Germans would start thinking along those lines.

Merkel is walking the fine line as well.
NATO has no option but to base troops and equipment in the front line states.
A little known fact- The US pays 75 % of NATO costs. The EU & Canada have to pick up their respective share.
US is making the Asia pivot. And guess where most of the resources, limited at that and under budget cuts got to.

The best plan that NATO could agree to would be invite many of these Asian countries into NATO.
Game, set & match.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:37 am
 


The Germans could act if they were willing to pay an extra, say, 10% for their natural gas. They seem to favour their treasure over their future freedom.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:41 am
 


Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
The Germans could act if they were willing to pay an extra, say, 10% for their natural gas. They seem to favour their treasure over their future freedom.

I believe that Russia in one of Germany largest trading partners.
Tons of German investment in Russia.
Did you note that Turkey, just recently is making deals for Russian gas?


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 10:42 am
 


peck420 peck420:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Are the situations the same? No.

Is Russia at a fiscal disadvantage (again)? Yep. It's an economic lightweight compared to the NATO powers, with stalling economic growth and bonds trading just above junk grade.

They can't win a game of dollars and cents. What they can win is a contest of will.

They have it, we don't.

Your error is assuming that this is a contest against just Russia. It isn't.


Russia doesn't strike me as having many so called "friends" in the world. Just interests.

Unless you see a Chinese arm sticking out of Putin's ass.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:01 pm
 


Goober911 Goober911:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
The Germans could act if they were willing to pay an extra, say, 10% for their natural gas. They seem to favour their treasure over their future freedom.

I believe that Russia in one of Germany largest trading partners.
Tons of German investment in Russia.
Did you note that Turkey, just recently is making deals for Russian gas?


The Russians will eventually have them all by the balls.

It is surprising, though, that the Turks have opted to buy Russian gas and not from one of their Muslim neighbours.


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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 1:25 pm
 


Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
Goober911 Goober911:
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:
The Germans could act if they were willing to pay an extra, say, 10% for their natural gas. They seem to favour their treasure over their future freedom.

I believe that Russia in one of Germany largest trading partners.
Tons of German investment in Russia.
Did you note that Turkey, just recently is making deals for Russian gas?


The Russians will eventually have them all by the balls.

It is surprising, though, that the Turks have opted to buy Russian gas and not from one of their Muslim neighbours.


Surprisingly enough, many are not aware, Syria was to be the export point for LNG to the EU. From Iraq & Iran

Qatari s against these deals as they had their own plan for gas to the EU.
Quaoar as we have known supports the hard line Islamists. Both in Syria and in Libya prior to that.
Also the Stans have a major pipeline plan for the EU.
Russia can do squat. Reason they have been trying to ink a long term deal with China.
China lent Gazprom 30 Billion the other year.
With those pipelines, then include the fields off Israel and Cyprus, gas prices drop.

Russia will be hurting in the future, as their economy is dependent upon oil-NG.

Russia made billions doing this below.
http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/arti ... feature-02

http://www.eurasianet.org/node/67776

http://www.naturalgasasia.com/iraq-appr ... s-pipeline

http://www.naturalgasasia.com/some-reas ... s-pipeline

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 24621.html


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