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I don’t really see fascism as collectivist. In any totalitarian regime dissent is not tolerated bit that doesn’t mean it’s collectivist. No Nazi ever uttered "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs“ and lived to tell the tale.

Fascists are social conservatives who celebrate traditionalism: traditional roles according to gender and according to class. In fascist countries, the privilege and excess if the wealthy elite including movie stars etc. were glamorized and publicly celebrated


Any philosophy of racial superiority or supremacy is inherently collectivist, in that it reduces individuals, whether within one’s own “tribe” or outside of it, to mere representatives of a larger grouping rather than something of inherent value apart from group membership. Collectivist does not automatically equate with egalitarian.


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I don’t really see fascism as collectivist. In any totalitarian regime dissent is not tolerated bit that doesn’t mean it’s collectivist. No Nazi ever uttered "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs“ and lived to tell the tale.

Fascists are social conservatives who celebrate traditionalism: traditional roles according to gender and according to class. In fascist countries, the privilege and excess if the wealthy elite including movie stars etc. were glamorized and publicly celebrated


Any philosophy of racial superiority or supremacy is inherently collectivist, in that it reduces individuals, whether within one’s own “tribe” or outside of it, to mere representatives of a larger grouping rather than something of inherent value apart from group membership.
Well then collectivist has no meaning then because anyone who lives in any kind of a community does that and only reclusive hermits living out in the wilderness are not collectivists.


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I don’t really see fascism as collectivist. In any totalitarian regime dissent is not tolerated bit that doesn’t mean it’s collectivist. No Nazi ever uttered "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs“ and lived to tell the tale.

Fascists are social conservatives who celebrate traditionalism: traditional roles according to gender and according to class. In fascist countries, the privilege and excess if the wealthy elite including movie stars etc. were glamorized and publicly celebrated


Any philosophy of racial superiority or supremacy is inherently collectivist, in that it reduces individuals, whether within one’s own “tribe” or outside of it, to mere representatives of a larger grouping rather than something of inherent value apart from group membership.
Well then collectivist has no meaning then because anyone who lives in any kind of a community does that and only reclusive hermits living out in the wilderness are not collectivists.


It’s pretty simple. If a political system respects individual rights and individual decision-making, with neither being conditional on group membership, it is not collectivist. Not a difficult bar to clear, though both communism and fascism fail to do so.


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Fortunately the old Cold War is over and communism is all but dead. Fascism is making a comeback though and ironically the former Soviet Union is its benefactor.


But that’s the thing. It’s not “all but dead”. Not by a long shot. If there’s one thing the history of the past 100 years has taught us is that communism and fascism travel in a pair. When one emerges somewhere, you know the other will show up sooner or later. Now it’s true that we’re not exactly talking about Uncle Joe’s communism anymore. The virus has been mutated by its exposure to and interaction with academic postmodernism, but it’s back in a big way. It’s just not driving tanks yet. It’s operating out of its “safe space” in the humanities departments of universities, and being transmitted out via the media, both social and traditional. It’s leaking into maintstream political parties and discourse through intersectional identity politics. And make no mistake, these SJWs aren’t a retread of boomer student activism. These are people with visions of death camps dancing in their heads, even if they don’t yet have the power to build them. And when they call you an “ally”, they’re just saying “We’ll get to you later.”


I predict that within the next few years, the woke folks will start openly expressing admiration for Robert Mugabe and his legacy. The traditional left in the West turned its back on Mugabe, as he was the anti-Mandela, and went too far in seeking payback against the white population of Zimbabwe, resulting in waves of violence and economic chaos. But the new left, buried to the ears in postmodernism and intersectional identity politics, will see Mugabe as a hero, as someone who found the correct way to deal with “whiteness”. He will be to the new left what Che was to the old.


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I predict that within the next few years, the woke folks will start openly expressing admiration for Robert Mugabe and his legacy. The traditional left in the West turned its back on Mugabe, as he was the anti-Mandela, and went too far in seeking payback against the white population of Zimbabwe, resulting in waves of violence and economic chaos. But the new left, buried to the ears in postmodernism and intersectional identity politics, will see Mugabe as a hero, as someone who found the correct way to deal with “whiteness”. He will be to the new left what Che was to the old.


I agree. Looking to the words some of our own members post here I expect within my lifetime to see acts of genocide taking place against white people and not just in Africa but in Europe and North America, too.

Ironically, for all the bleating about 'Nazis' that the leftists do I also expect them to revert to the usual form of the authoritarian left and to also start persecuting and killing Jews.

Can't have those nasty Jews running around with their capitalism and their banks and their millions ruining the socialist fantasy of uniform levels of poverty and oppression, can we?


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Ironically, for all the bleating about 'Nazis' that the leftists do I also expect them to revert to the usual form of the authoritarian left and to also start persecuting and killing Jews.

Can't have those nasty Jews running around with their capitalism and their banks and their millions ruining the socialist fantasy of uniform levels of poverty and oppression, can we?


Yes, the Jews are unique in being vilified by both the right and left. The latter group will claim it’s all about Israel and the Palestinians. As I’ve pointed out previously, the Eastern European Jews who migrated to Israel didn’t look or sound “Middle Eastern” enough for their tastes. Thus, many on the left saw Zionism as simply the latest iteration of European colonialism. Israel being allied with the US during the Cold War didn’t help either. But I think the left’s attitude towards Jews goes deeper than that.

The left likes Jews well enough, as long as they’re in ghettos or camps. The problem is that they’ve never followed the “oppressed people” script very well. They’ve tended to succeed despite the constraints their oppressors have put on them. The left seems to prefer their oppressed minorities in perpetual underdog mode. No one would weep louder than those on the left if the Jews were actually wiped out. But given a choice between being alive, free and secure or being beloved by the left, the Jews have wisely chosen the first option.


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