[Ifti]

Women Liberation

I find Islam to be liberating not oppressive: women are partners.

Islam is the first religion which systematically empowered women when women were considered as totally subservient to man. There was no concept of her being an independent entity and enjoying equal right with dignity. We live in a country where women are over-sexualised and sold as 'products' for capitalist gains. A woman's beauty is splashed around everywhere, and she is only judged by that. Islam tells a woman to cover up so that she is not abused as Western women are. Islam provides the security and respect to women community than other religions. The western countries are using the women as an entertainment channels. All the women in the world should think about themselves then decide what is right and what is wrong for them in other religions (than Islam)

What is feminism? Nothing but women’s movement to empower her and to consider her full human being and not mere second sex as ‘Simon de Bouire called her. Thus we see in western countries until early part of twentieth century she did not enjoy an independent status. It was only after thirties of twentieth century that she won equal status legally and various western countries passed the laws to this effect. Yet patriarchy is looming large on her in these countries.

Qur’an empowered her and gave equal status. Another important question is what is the difference between Islamic and western feminism or is there any difference at all. If we go by definition of feminism as an ideology of empowerment of women, there is no difference. On the other hand, women had no rights and but won through great deal of struggle and this struggle came to be known as ‘feminism’ i.e. women’s empowerment.

But there are significant differences also between Islamic and western feminism. Islamic feminism is based on certain non-negotiable values i.e. equality with honour and dignity. Freedom has certain Islamic responsibility whereas in the west freedom tends to degenerate into licentiousness, though not in law but certainly in social and cultural practices. In western culture sexual freedom has become a matter of women’s right and sex has become matter of enjoyment and lost its sanctity as an instrument of procreation.

Qur’an does lay down certain strict norms for sexual behavior. Both man woman have right to sexual gratification (a woman has as much right to sexual gratification as man) but within marital frame-work. There is no concept of freedom for extramarital sex in any form. Sex is permissible only with marital framework. Sex, as far as Islam is concerned, is not mere enjoyment but an act for procreations and hence has sanctity.

It is important here to emphasize that in a patriarchal society men decided the norms of sexual behavior. It was theorized that man has greater urge for sex and hence he needs multiple wives and woman tends to be passive and hence has to be content with one. This is not true as far as Qur’an is concerned. Qur’an’s approach is very different. It is not greater or lesser degree of sexual urge which necessitates multiple or monogamous marriage.

Whole emphasis is on monogamous marriage (in both the Qur’anic verses i.e. 4:3 and 4:129). Multiple marriages were permitted only to take care of widows and orphans and not for greater sexual urge and the verse 4:129 gives the norm of monogamy and not to leave first wife in suspense or neglected. Thus as far as Qur’an is concerned sexual gratification is a non-negotiable right for both man woman. And hence a divorcee and a widow are also permitted to marry and gratify their sexual urge.

Also, in western capitalist countries women’s dignity has been compromised and she has been reduced to a commodity to be exploited. Her semi-naked postures and her sexuality is exploited commercially unabashedly. It is totally against the concept of woman’s honour and dignity. Unfortunately western feminists do not consider this as objectionable but accept it as part of woman’s freedom. Some (though not many) even advocate prostitution as woman’s right to earn her bread.

This is against the concept of Islamic feminism as while sanctioning sexual gratification as much right of woman as that of man, it prohibits extra-marital sexual liaison and on one hand upholds dignity and honour of woman and on the other, exalts sex on the level of sanctity and restricts it for procreation.. Thus it would be seen that discourse of Islamic feminism, while having something in common with modern western feminism, it also significantly differs from it. Islamic feminists have to observe certain norms which modern western feminists are not obliged to.

There is institutionalised oppression of women in all cultures. In India Hindu female foetocide numbers approximately two million every year. Hinduism is rife with sexism. Women are classed as objects owned by men. The Muslims from the Sub-continent were converted from Hinduism. They carry even now a lot of Hindu traditions of dishonouring women mostly in isolated ruler areas. In urban areas Muslims are well educated both Islamically and worldly and women have all the rights given by Islam.

UNICEF photo of the year shows, a bridegroom, 40, with his 11-year-old bride in Afghanistan. The bridegroom is going to take care of her and their future children. UNICEF photo of the year must show that the teenage pregnancies and abortion, drug addiction, binge drinking and anti-social behavior is on the rise in Britain. All of them are burden on British tax-payers. This is sickening. It's no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are haveing babies out of wedlock. They are not allowed to get married but are allowed to have babies. Teenage pregnancy rate in Great Britain is the highest in Western Europe. It is a civilised country and Yemen is a backward country because it allows young girls to get married.

The Holy Quran gives more rights to women than the so called western civilisation.
Western Secularism cannot teach Muslims how to treat women. Islam teaches us how to be civilised. Islam is a middle path. Women are even abused in the UK Parliament, which is called the Mother of Parliament. It is not just verbal abuse the female MPs have had to deal with. The tradition of killing women for family honour is a “curse”. Violence against women is a global phenomenon. An Australian Judge failed to jail nine males who admitted gang-raping a 10-year old Aboriginal girl, by saying the victim probably agreed to have sex with them. More than half the babies born to British mothers this year will be outside marriage for the first time since records begins. There is a steady decline in marriage among British couples. Nearly all births to Pakistani mothers are within wedlock.

The veil signified the rejection of an unacceptable system of values which debased women while Islam elevated women to a position of honour and respect. It is not liberation, where women go naked. It is just oppression, because men want to see them naked. Miniskirts and plunging necklines represent oppression. Veil is a sign of liberation from a prevailing and dangerous western, secular norm – namely, a view of women purely as sexual objects. Western culture is liberalism, and that is in itself a set of norms. But now the time has come that liberalism must change its attitudes because Britain and the whole of West has undergone significant change. It is a fact that a veil cannot be equated with forced marriages, female circumcision or unequal education for girls. The real difference between man and woman is that they have different kinds of bodies designed for very different purposes, and they have also different kinds of mind because these, too, are designed to contribute differently to human needs and purposes. Men tend to be more imaginative and have more flair than women, but women are much more tenacious and better at multilasking than men.

Muslim boys and Girls need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Male and female Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim youths feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers. Islam teaches Muslims youths to be virgin but western education system teaches the opposite. It makes their lives very confusing. They suffer from Identity Crises. The solution is that each and every Muslim child should be in state funded Muslim schools because western education makes a man stupid and selfish according to Lord Bertrand Russell.
Iftikhar Ahmad

[PublicAnimalNo9]

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Muslim boys and Girls need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Male and female Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim youths feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers. Islam teaches Muslims youths to be virgin but western education system teaches the opposite. It makes their lives very confusing. They suffer from Identity Crises. The solution is that each and every Muslim child should be in state funded Muslim schools because western education makes a man stupid and selfish according to Lord Bertrand Russell.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Then go to shcool in a Muslim country and the problem is solved. Why do people emigrate to new countries then expect those countries to have laws, morals and values that are the same as back home? If one prefers those Islamic laws, moralities and values, then it would seem one would be best suited to remain where they were instead of moving and expecting an entirely different culture to alter itself. The gov't of Canada and the gov'ts of the various provinces have no business funding religious schools, of ANY faith. I'm not really thrilled that the "separate" school system in Ontario is no longer separate. Schools in Canada are meant to prepare students for the real world, not indoctrinating them into a particular religion.
THAT is what churches, mosques and synagogues are for. Indoctrinate your kids on your OWN dime!!

[martin14]

Ifti wrote:

Islam tells a woman to cover up so that she is not abused as Western women are. Islam provides the security and respect to women community than other religions.

So, rape doesnt happen in Islamic countries ?
Security by locking them up and chaperoning them around isn't security,
it's one step above prison.

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What is feminism? Nothing but women’s movement to empower her and to consider her full human being and not mere second sex as ‘Simon de Bouire called her. Thus we see in western countries until early part of twentieth century she did not enjoy an independent status. It was only after thirties of twentieth century that she won equal status legally and various western countries passed the laws to this effect. Yet patriarchy is looming large on her in these countries.

Who is Simon, and how many hundreds of years has he been dead ?

A full human being... except in coourt, where she is only half a human.

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Qur’an empowered her and gave equal status. Another important question is what is the difference between Islamic and western feminism or is there any difference at all. If we go by definition of feminism as an ideology of empowerment of women, there is no difference. On the other hand, women had no rights and but won through great deal of struggle and this struggle came to be known as ‘feminism’ i.e. women’s empowerment.

Equal status my ass. Slave is a better expression.

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In western culture sexual freedom has become a matter of women’s right and sex has become matter of enjoyment and lost its sanctity as an instrument of procreation.

Yes its a shame some people actually enjoy sex, rather than raping little
girls.


Wherever did you copy/paste this drivel from ?


A smell a troll.

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Qur’an does lay down certain strict norms for sexual behavior. Both man woman have right to sexual gratification (a woman has as much right to sexual gratification as man) but within marital frame-work. There is no concept of freedom for extramarital sex in any form. Sex is permissible only with marital framework. Sex, as far as Islam is concerned, is not mere enjoyment but an act for procreations and hence has sanctity.



It is important here to emphasize that in a patriarchal society men decided the norms of sexual behavior. It was theorized that man has greater urge for sex and hence he needs multiple wives and woman tends to be passive and hence has to be content with one. This is not true as far as Qur’an is concerned. Qur’an’s approach is very different. It is not greater or lesser degree of sexual urge which necessitates multiple or monogamous marriage.

Wait a sec.. you said earlier women were oversexualized, now you say
she is passive. how very stereotypical of you,
you chauvinist pig.

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Whole emphasis is on monogamous marriage (in both the Qur’anic verses i.e. 4:3 and 4:129). Multiple marriages were permitted only to take care of widows and orphans and not for greater sexual urge and the verse 4:129 gives the norm of monogamy and not to leave first wife in suspense or neglected.

Except of course for our good friend Mr. Shafia; better to just kill them off

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Also, in western capitalist countries women’s dignity has been compromised and she has been reduced to a commodity to be exploited. Her semi-naked postures and her sexuality is exploited commercially unabashedly. It is totally against the concept of woman’s honour and dignity. Unfortunately western feminists do not consider this as objectionable but accept it as part of woman’s freedom. Some (though not many) even advocate prostitution as woman’s right to earn her bread.

There are no prostitutes in Islamic countries ?

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This is against the concept of Islamic feminism as while sanctioning sexual gratification as much right of woman as that of man, it prohibits extra-marital sexual liaison and on one hand upholds dignity and ho

Yup, that is why we see female curcumcision and genital multilation
so often in Islamic countries, and yet so rare in the West.

More lies and BS.

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There is institutionalised oppression of women in all cultures. In India Hindu female foetocide numbers approximately two million every year. Hinduism is rife with sexism. Women are classed as objects owned by men. The Muslims from the Sub-continent were converted from Hinduism. They carry even now a lot of Hindu traditions of dishonouring women mostly in isolated ruler areas. In urban areas Muslims are well educated both Islamically and worldly and women have all the rights given by Islam.

It's fairly normal for the advocates of one religion to spew poison against the adherents of another faith. Perhaps such bullshit can be kept out of our discussion board.

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UNICEF photo of the year shows, a bridegroom, 40, with his 11-year-old bride in Afghanistan. The bridegroom is going to take care of her and their future children. UNICEF photo of the year must show that the teenage pregnancies and abortion, drug addiction, binge drinking and anti-social behavior is on the rise in Britain. All of them are burden on British tax-payers. This is sickening. It's no wonder Great Britain is in such a bad shape. Ten years old British girls are haveing babies out of wedlock. They are not allowed to get married but are allowed to have babies. Teenage pregnancy rate in Great Britain is the highest in Western Europe. It is a civilised country and Yemen is a backward country because it allows young girls to get married.

So having 10 year old girls bearing children inside wedlock is better ?


THEY ARE CHILDREN, NUMBNUTS

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The Holy Quran gives more rights to women than the so called western civilisation.
Western Secularism cannot teach Muslims how to treat women. Islam teaches us how to be civilised. Islam is a middle path.

Bullshit.. you are more than 1000 years behind the times..

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The veil signified the rejection of an unacceptable system of values which debased women while Islam elevated women to a position of honour and respect. It is not liberation, where women go naked. It is just oppression, because men want to see them naked. Miniskirts and plunging necklines represent oppression. Veil is a sign of liberation from a prevailing and dangerous western, secular norm – namely, a view of women purely as sexual objects. Western culture is liberalism, and that is in itself a set of norms. But now the time has come that liberalism must change its attitudes because Britain and the whole of West has undergone significant change. It is a fact that a veil cannot be equated with forced marriages, female circumcision or unequal education for girls. The real difference between man and woman is that they have different kinds of bodies designed for very different purposes, and they have also different kinds of mind because these, too, are designed to contribute differently to human needs and purposes. Men tend to be more imaginative and have more flair than women, but women are much more tenacious and better at multilasking than men.

Maybe your men can't control themselves, ours are a little more grown up.

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Muslim boys and Girls need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Male and female Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Muslim youths feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the state schools with monolingual non-Muslim teachers. Islam teaches Muslims youths to be virgin but western education system teaches the opposite. It makes their lives very confusing. They suffer from Identity Crises. The solution is that each and every Muslim child should be in state funded Muslim schools because western education makes a man stupid and selfish according to Lord Bertrand Russell.
Iftikhar Ahmad

Oh seriously, fuck off and die already.

The only people who feel torn are the old farts who want to impose their
will on their children, and kill them when the kids want to do things
like listen to music, wear clothes, and horrors, talk to other kids.

Why are you quoting the idiotic ravings of a British Commie loving Coward ?

[Tricks]

That was the biggest load of shit I've ever seen. Gotta be a troll.

[martin14]

hmm, exact same BS posted here.

http://rabble.ca/babble/international-n ... liberation


They banned him, so should we.

[2Cdo]

Ifti wrote:

Women Liberation
A whole lot of mindless bullshit.

Bye, bye Troll.

[saturn_656]

[RUEZ]

The sight of a woman covered head to toe, because Middle Eastern men can't control themselves is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.

[Brenda]

That BS made my day

I learned so much about being a woman that I didn't know yet!

[2Cdo]

Brenda wrote:

That BS made my day

I learned so much about being a woman that I didn't know yet!

All that oppresion you feel under a western secular society would just disappear if you donned a burkha and just accepted your lot in life!

[Brenda]

2Cdo wrote:

Brenda wrote:

That BS made my day

I learned so much about being a woman that I didn't know yet!

All that oppresion you feel under a western secular society would just disappear if you donned a burkha and just accepted your lot in life!

I know! Isn't that amazing??
Damn! Also, the public funding for Muslim schools, bi-lingual even! (I take it Arabic and ..., yeah, and what???)

What's your face, who posted this:
I rather walk around and show off what I got and be looked at as the sexy, sexual being that I am, that you might enjoy wanking off to, than put on a sexless burkha that has no other use than control women.

So, speaking for most women in their right minds: Go fuck yourself.

[Ifti]

We live in a country where women are over-sexualised and sold as 'products'
for capitalist gains. A woman's beauty is splashed around everywhere, and
she is only judged by that. Islam tells a woman to cover up so that she is
not abused as Western women are.

Islam is the fastest growing faith in Britain. Hundreds and thousands of
Brits are reverting to Islam. By the middle of this century, over half of
Brits would be Muslims.

New research has shown more women convert to Islam than men - in fact, they
account for 60 per cent of conversions. They believed that they should be a
force for good by building bridges between the Muslim and Non Muslim
communities in order to understand Islam better.

Examples of women who have left high powered jobs in the city, educated
women who mostly found out about Islam independently via books, the internet
or discussion with Muslims; seem to be the picture that is portrayed in this
study. This clearly demonstrates a clear pattern of converts who while non
Muslim rethought their lives and actively sought to reject secular values,
for a belief system offering spiritual and worldly guidance in order to
regulate life in a meaningful and fulfilling way. The rejection of
materialism and decadence seem to be some of the catalysts in making that
change.

One of the most high-profile examples is Tony Blair's sister-in-law Lauren
Booth, who recently announced she had adopted the faith after a trip to
Iran. The conversion of Lauren Booth will have a positive impact, despite
claims that it is just attention-seeking. It will encourage people to
convert, unless they idolise her, but I think that it will educate people
and make them more interested in learning about Muslims. It’s all about
having a look at the Quran with an open mind, without presumptions and
assumptions…Then would the reader understand what the beautiful religion is
all about….

Increasing numbers of young, university-educated women in their twenties and
thirties are converting to Islam. Well – educated white women are more
likely to convert to Islam than other groups. Through wearing modest
clothing, all the way to a head scarf, it’s no longer about how you look, It’s
getting free from this idea that you are defined by your dress size.” At the
London Central Mosque in Regent’s Park, women account for roughly two thirds
of the “New Muslims” who make their official declarations of faith – and
most of them are under the age of 30.

The question is why are so-called liberated women choosing Islam. Such women
are part of an intriguing trend. They seek spirituality, a higher meaning,
and tend to be deep thinkers.

While 9/11 has led to a western military and ideological onslaught on Islam,
9/11 has also been the catalyst for increasing numbers, born and bred in the
west, to question and reject western values and convert to Islam.

It is also of no surprise that no matter what policies or narrative is
pushed by governments, writers, thinkers or elements of the media to try and
reason away such conversions as ‘fringe’, ‘coercion’ or ‘blind following,’
this trend will continue in a world that seeks to understand the extent to
which Capitalist liberal values have failed man in every sense and left a
void which can only be filled by the truth!

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of
its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to
possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which
can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man
and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the
Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the
dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems
in a way that would bring it the much
needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad
that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to
be acceptable to the Europe of today." [G.B. Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol.
1, No. 81936.]

I don't believe in the right to dictate to different people what to do and
what not to do simply because of their culture. What is the problem with a
demand for Islamic schools exactly?The key word is demand, just as under
common law, it is the law of the people. It comes from an acceptance of
humanity. People should be free to choose how they educate their own
children. So if there was a demand for Muslim schools from Muslim or
non-Muslim parents then we should also allow that. I think freedom of
religion should also be available to people should they want it. People
don't come here to be British, they come here for a variety of reasons .
France is a fraud in the manner it claims its secularity. It is not secular
nor is the state separate from the religion of its parliamentarians.

I don't buy the argument that Muslim schools brainwash innocent children and
force them to think in a certain way when they should be "free" to choose
their own way....it's as if state schools don't do the same! All childhood
education is a form of moulding and culturing of intellect and
behaviour.....in a state school they'll be brought up to beleive in whatever
the govt has set as the official curriculum....most likely they'll grow up
believing in liberal capitalism as the only way to make money, they'll have
very little knowledge of the crimes committed by Europe in the slave trade
and during the colonial period, they'll have very little understanding of
the contributions of other cultures, they'll be forcefed govt-approved
ethics etc etc....sounds like brainwashing to me!

All the venom against Islam, it's pathetic. What about the kids who have
parents that teach them no values at all, who take no interest in their
child's moral development or worse still, leave their children to be brought
up by the media, X factor and a consumerist society?

And for those that say the children shouldn't be indoctrinated with
anything, like it or not, whenever you bring a child up you will
indoctrinate your own beliefs into the child. Atheist's will undoubtedly
have children who predominantly grow up to be Atheist, Jews will have
children who will identify themselves as Jews as adults etc. If you refer to
choice, every Muslim in this country has the choice to renounce their faith
if they choose to when they grow up so there is no compulsion.

Parent's have every right to reject state education if they feel that
education is better served in an environment where morality is also
discussed alongside traditional subjects.

After all, we have an education system in which it is acceptable to be
laying in a pool of your own vomit one night and then graduate with flying
colours the next day....

You have to accept that for some parents education should not just be about
grades, but also the moral and spiritual development of their children as
well.

Muslim schools have been around for 30+ years. The first Muslim school was
set up by me in London in 1981 and now there are over 150 schools and only
12 are state funded. Have they had a negative effect on British society? Far
from it. Quite the opposite, in fact. Muslims convicted of any kind of
illegal activity, let alone terrorism, tend to have been educated in
mainstream, non-faith schools, colleges and universities. There are people
who want to enforce their own ideology on people of faith. Having worked
with and for Muslim schools for almost 30 years, I know of no Muslim who
wants every school to be a faith school; our opponents, however, in the name
of liberalism and freedom, want all schools to be non-religious. Some
liberalism; some freedom that is!

Ofsted evidence of Islamic Schools indicated that the pupils outperformed
their peers at state schools. Ofsted report (some years ago) did find that
Christian Evangelical schools did turn out the most intolerant out of all
faith schools, it also found that the Jewish schools pupils were the least
intolerant. A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF MUSLIM SCHOOLS are doing well. Fact is
comprehensive schools are badly run, lacking in discipline, under-achieving
academicly and tolerates such lax behaviour that drug-use and teen pregnancy
is considered normal. Would you want to send your kids to be educated in
that kind of enviroment? So why beat up muslims parents who want to 'OPT'
out?

Problems of high percentage of teenage pregnancy, drugs and alcoholism and
setting the right level of sex education have been quite a burden to this
country.
While no solutions have been found yet, in fact the solution is already
there in religious teaching.

So, setting up well organised and proper faith schools, particularly islamic
school gives the solution of the above problem. I think our government
should support this direction more rather than wasting a lot of time finding
other solutions that will not solve the problems.

Parents should be the ones to make the individual choice of what programs
their kids should attend, not the government. Imposing the teaching of all
religions or none at all would go against the liberty principle of your
tolerant society. Parents have a right to educate their children where they
see fit, and instill values which they feel will bring them as good and
responsible individuals. These parents are sending thier kids to Muslim
schools as they believe it is the best thing for their children and have
lost faith in the what is being offered by the government.Muslim parents
want their children educated in a disciplined environment. Is that so
unreasonable? People who seek religious schools just want some element of
discipline and a focus on learning..

Sure, religious parents including Muslims, may also prefer a school ethos
that is actively against porn, drugs and mini-micro-disappearing skirts.

May I congratulate Muslims on their founding of new schools and taking a
full part in the life on this country. They simply are joining the
Anglicans, Catholics, Jews, Methodists et al in having their own schools.

In a nation of immigrants that never assimilated into the Native American
way of life, but imposed their culture onto the the native people and then
exterminated most of them when they refused to bow down to 'superior'
European culture.

Cambridge and many of the great western and eastern universities began as a
theological colleges - part of the christian and muslim mission is to
encourage learning including humanities and science. That is why the
humanists and scientists did not need to start separate schools, they are a
product of religious ethos (of encouraging learning)

The Muslim community has been passing through a phase of fourth Crusades.
The battleground is the field of education, where the young generation will
be educated properly with the Holly Quran in one hand and Sciences in other
hand to serve humanity. A true Muslim is a citizen of the world, which has
become a small global village. We are going to prepare our youth to achieve
that objective in the long run. A true Muslim believes in Prophet Moses and
the Prophet Jesus and without them one cannot be a Muslim. My suggestion is
that in all state, independent and Christian based school special attention
should be given to the teaching of Comparative Religion and Islam should be
taught by qualified Muslim Teachers to make the children aware the closeness
of Islam to Christianity and Judaism which will help them to think about
Islam, as “A Pragmatic and Modern Way of Life,” during their life time.
Those state schools where Muslim children are in majority may be opted out
as Muslim Academies.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in Standard
English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and
research to serve humanity. The problem is that they learn English in the
streets and in the playgrounds. British schooling does not teach English to
migrant children. The teachers let them speak the same accent in the
classroom. They have no courage to stop them or correct them. This is one of
the main reasons why one third of children have difficulties with reading
when they leave primary schools. Majority of such children are bilingual
Muslims. They often speak "street" with its own grammar, vocabulary and
pronunciation. In other European countries and in the sub-continent argot
and slang are not allowed into the classrooms. In Britain primary school
teachers do not feel that it's role to interfere with self-expression in any
shape or form. They encourage children to read poems and stories written in
ethnic dialects.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. It will
help them to developm self-confidence and self-esteem.
IA

[Brenda]

Bi-lingual Dutch children need state funded Dutch schools with bi-lingual Dutch teachers as role models during their developmental periods. It will
help them to developm self-confidence and self-esteem.

Again, just go fuck yourself.

[RUEZ]

Ifti wrote:

We live in a country where women are over-sexualised and sold as 'products'
for capitalist gains. A woman's beauty is splashed around everywhere, and
she is only judged by that. Islam tells a woman to cover up so that she is
not abused as Western women are.

You are an idiot.

[raydan]

It's a shame, all those people who can't afford their meds anymore.