[DrCaleb]

ziggy wrote:

Dr. C says

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It's been a long time since we had a PM who cared more for Canada than for the party or for themselves. (If we ever have).

How about Joe who?

Still my favourite PM. Shook his hand once too.

[hurley_108]

ziggy wrote:

hurley_108 wrote:

Yup. Harper's blameless.

You think he's to blame for the drop in the stock market today?

Not him trying to derail any investors confidence in our country.
We were holding our own untill today.

Harper was the one that brought forward the clearly untenable and incendiary economic update. He brought forth a confidence bill that couldn't pass.

But I do like how you blame this one plunge today on the opposition, but all the dives since, what, September escaped any connection to our politics.

[hurley_108]

uwish wrote:

if you want to see a pole a little more representative of the population, check out the results of the CTVnews.ca pole.

75% agree the coalition is just a power grab

Glad to see you're basing your assessment on such an impartial scientific poll.

[ziggy]

DrCaleb wrote:

ziggy wrote:

Dr. C says

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It's been a long time since we had a PM who cared more for Canada than for the party or for themselves. (If we ever have).

How about Joe who?

Still my favourite PM. Shook his hand once too.

He used to drop by the barber shop here where the old timers all hung out,there was even an autographed shovel hanging on the wall from Joe,for when the shit started flying.

[DrCaleb]

uwish wrote:

if you want to see a pole a little more representative of the population, check out the results of the CTVnews.ca pole.

75% agree the coalition is just a power grab

I like Poles. And Ukrainians, Romanians . . . most Slavics' in fact.

[hurley_108]

DrCaleb wrote:

uwish wrote:

if you want to see a pole a little more representative of the population, check out the results of the CTVnews.ca pole.

75% agree the coalition is just a power grab

I like Poles. And Ukrainians, Romanians . . . most Slavics' in fact.

[uwish]

"Glad to see you're basing your assessment on such an impartial scientific poll"

I never said I was, but it beats the 44 people who responded to this poll which began this thread!

[benny_patrick7]

I don't know what you feel about sudden agreement with people who proclaimed on numerous occasions that they would never make an alliance, but I feel nothing but disdain. Is there any doubt that the only reason they got into coalition is Harper's attempt to cut off their money? These scoundrels do not give a damn about people of Canada. They all of a sudden found common language because their money got in danger. This doesn't mean of course that Harper is any better than these clowns.

After all, it is we who elected them.

Fabrikant

[terrance_s]

There's something i dont really get that perhaps others here can clear up for me.

the liberals got 77 seats and the ndp 37. Unless my math is really bad isnt that still less seats than what the conservatives got? I dont get how the coalition of liberals and ndp would have more 'power'


The bloc would* support the coalition but does that really count as being a 3 party majority.




*maybe




anyway it makes me wonder how long it will take before the bloc and conservatives both vote no on something.

[kenmore]

"And to have a coalition like that that can govern only with the veto of the people who want to break up this country," Harper continued. "Do they really believe that is in the interests of this country?"

It was total about-face for Harper who advised the Governor General in 2004 to let him govern - supported by the separatist Bloc - should the Liberal government of Paul Martin fall.

What a tool. doesn"t he think the press keep track of what he says and when he said it. Like I say if it had of happened then the party brainwashed faithful would be all over this instead of crying wolf and predicting doom and gloom..

[ryan29]

terrance_s wrote:

There's something i dont really get that perhaps others here can clear up for me.

the liberals got 77 seats and the ndp 37. Unless my math is really bad isnt that still less seats than what the conservatives got? I dont get how the coalition of liberals and ndp would have more 'power'


The bloc would* support the coalition but does that really count as being a 3 party majority.




*maybe




anyway it makes me wonder how long it will take before the bloc and conservatives both vote no on something.

well that is the big joke here that neither the ndp or liberals have more seats than the conservatives when combined so they will need the help of the bloc to do anything , there claim as to why they should have power is a joke .

[Scape]

What Harper must do

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What these people are telling me is that the only course that could avert this disaster for the Conservatives would be a show of humility and non-partisanship from the Prime Minister.

They are saying this would require the removal of Jim Flaherty as Finance Minister, significant changes in the PMO, and a heartfelt statement of apology from the Prime Minister.

It would also be critical for the Prime Minister to make a number of unifying gestures to reduce the toxic atmosphere in Parliament.

Options would include inviting a Liberal Senator or MP to join his Ministry, taking on a prominent moderate public intellectual as a senior advisor, consulting the opposition routinely for advice on the budget, shuffling his Cabinet to introduce more moderates to senior roles, and simply adopting a more collegial tone in the Commons.

But these sources agree that such a move from Stephen Harper would be so uncharacteristic as to be unimaginable.

I'll say!

[Donny_Brasco]

ryan29 wrote:

well that is the big joke here that neither the ndp or liberals have more seats than the conservatives when combined so they will need the help of the bloc to do anything , there claim as to why they should have power is a joke .

The Torys do not have a majority government and therefore MUST have the support of at least one of the parties or fractions thereof.

They don't - and the other three parties combined have more seats and way more votes then the Torys. So I'd say the the Torys should stop acting like they have a majority and try to form a stable government.

Of course Harper is either too stupid or too proud to do that...

[Canadian_Mind]

Jumping into this conversation way late.

As it is, it isn't undemocratic, but those who voted Liberal, NDP, or Bloc weren't expecting them to get into bed with the other two opposition parties to form a coalition (and thusly adopt some of the others pollicies).

As far as NDP-Liberal goes, not so bad. But throw the Blow in there and it becomes to socialist for my taste, and frankly looks like a path that would lead to Quebec getting alot of the benefits, and the rest of the country not as much. Then add that the Bloc are not actively pro-separatist, but we all know they want it, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Then add that Dion would lead the coalition. If he was the one that orchestrated it, sure, but the whole thing was crafted by Chretien (at alot of liberal MPs begging requests) and the NDP's head mentor... both currently unelected fellows. So that part of it is undemocratic.

So, put it to a referendum, with all this know, as to whether or not the people would accept such a coalition.

If yes, then let it happen. If no, then it sucks to be the opposition, and what should happen instead is that a bi-partisan group is organized to figure out what is best for the economy, and the political parties suck it up and lose the 1.95 per vote... would hurt the Bloc the most, which I would love to see.

[poquas]

Isn’t it amazing that the “Conservative at all cost” group has been blaming the parties that are taking advantage of exactly the same thing Harper once was ready to do and that Harper in fact created the so called crisis that the government is in now?

I’ve voted PC most of my life, and even I’m uncomfortable with the “blue guys” that are in Ottawa right now.

I’m not sure which poster blamed the stock market slide today on the Opposition, but give your head a shake.

The Conservatives created this problem, Harper delivered it, and now the predictable reaction is being delivered for all to see.