[Jabrwock]

Tegan wrote:

Besides engaging the Bloc in Canadian national issues might be very positive for all concerned. Even as nationalist, I have the brains to realize that not all things viewed as good for Québec by the Bloc are necessarily bad for the rest of the country.

Besides, the Bloc has toned down their separatist rhetoric in the last years because even Québecers have rejected it. Look at their provincial governments. They may be "Québec-first", but the idea of "Québec-only" has faltered.

[roger-roger]

I think if they form this coalition, all joining parties must be disolved and become one juggernaut left wing party name.

[ridenrain]

Jabrwock wrote:

Tegan wrote:

Besides engaging the Bloc in Canadian national issues might be very positive for all concerned. Even as nationalist, I have the brains to realize that not all things viewed as good for Québec by the Bloc are necessarily bad for the rest of the country.

Besides, the Bloc has toned down their separatist rhetoric in the last years because even Québecers have rejected it. Look at their provincial governments. They may be "Québec-first", but the idea of "Québec-only" has faltered.

I think that opinion is a mixture of hopeful thinking and spin.
The Bloc is the turd in this little punch bowl and it's critical for the coalition to minimize that to sell this to the public.

[Jabrwock]

Eisensapper wrote:

I think if they form this coalition, all joining parties must be disolved and become one juggernaut left wing party name.

Wouldn't you want them to remain apart? More likely to start bickering and fail, triggering an election so the Cons can try for a majority a third time in 5 years...

ridenrain wrote:

I think that opinion is a mixture of hopeful thinking and spin.

I could say the same about Conservative hopes for a Majority anytime soon.

Quote:

The Bloc is the turd in this little punch bowl and it's critical for the coalition to minimize that to sell this to the public.

*shrug* I always believed the Reform party was the equivalent of the Bloc, only not focused on separation. Just focused on taking power away from Ottawa and giving it to the West. But then they actually got into power, and look what happened.

So if history is an example, the instant the Bloc gets any real power, they'll use it to prop up Ottawa and screw Quebec.

http://www.cbc.ca/photogallery/diversions/1800/0/

[dino_bobba_renno]

Let me point something out here. Not even once in Canadian history has someone taken the position of Prime Minister without seeking a new mandate from the people. Never even once!



When Martin took the Liberal leadership he immediately called an election and sought a new mandate. This is parliamentary tradition. The longest Canadians have ever had to wait to vote in an election when a new Prime Minister has been voted in by his party is 6 months (you can correct me on that if I'm wrong).



Dion, Layton and their coalition want to take power and NOT seek a mandate to rule until 2011!!!! I don't care about the laws, I don't care if only 30 some odd percent only voted for the Conservatives this is simply not acceptable to not seek a mandate from the people of Canada if you expect to govern this country!!!!



To do otherwise is completely with out precident and should never be allowed! If there are no laws to that effect then we better get to work on making one.

[ryan29]

dino_bobba_renno wrote:

Let me point something out here. Not even once in Canadian history has someone taken the position of Prime Minister without seeking a new mandate from the people. Never even once!



When Martin took the Liberal leadership he immediately called an election and sought a new mandate. This is parliamentary tradition. The longest Canadians have ever had to wait to vote in an election when a new Prime Minister has been voted in by his party is 6 months (you can correct me on that if I'm wrong).



Dion, Layton and their coalition want to take power and NOT seek a mandate to rule until 2011!!!! I don't care about the laws, I don't care if only 30 some odd percent only voted for the Conservatives this is simply not acceptable to not seek a mandate from the people of Canada if you expect to govern this country!!!!



To do otherwise is completely with out precident and should never be allowed! If there are no laws to that effect then we better get to work on making one.

i agree can not think of a similar example before . and the fact that this coaliton does not want a new mandate from the voters is disturbing .

[Donny_Brasco]

dino_bobba_renno wrote:

Let me point something out here. Not even once in Canadian history has someone taken the position of Prime Minister without seeking a new mandate from the people. Never even once!

They have a mandate - the majority of the seats in the house. So what if it is the first time in History a lame duck PM shit the bed and refused to govern.

They have the seats, the votes and the obligation to their constituents to govern for them to the best of their ability.

The Torys do not have a mandate.

[EyeBrock]

They have more of a mandate than anybody else.

[Donny_Brasco]

EyeBrock wrote:

They have more of a mandate than anybody else.

So maybe they should have tried doing something about it instead of ... nothing.

To late now.

[EyeBrock]

It's 'too' as in late. Never surrender.
Harper will be PM.
I'm not entirely happy with his performance but look at the competition. Sad bastards to a man.
Harper is the best option out of a shower of shite.

[poquas]

It is TOO late!

When I hoped Harper and his minions might learn something from all this crap, I just watched the news and he/they are worse than ever. I’m ashamed of voting for these clowns.

The Conservatives are flinging crap in every possible direction regardless of its accuracy, relevance, and completely ignoring the facts they have done exactly the same things.

The Conservatives were not elected to be the government, they were elected to Parliament. If anyone does not understand the difference, educate yourself before commenting.

I’m beginning to wish our elected politicians were half as interested in really representing their constituents as the Bloc seems to be willing to represent theirs.

I’m pleased the GG will finally earn some of that inflated salary and have to earn some of it. I don’t see any way for her to go but to give the coalition the go-ahead.

In any case I seriously doubt I’ll vote Conservative ever again without see some major changes in people. They’ve killed themselves, and just don’t have the smarts to know when to fall down.

[EyeBrock]

It's never too late poquas. Welcome to the forum.

[poquas]

dino_bobba_renno wrote:

Let me point something out here. Not even once in Canadian history has someone taken the position of Prime Minister without seeking a new mandate from the people. Never even once!

Not true at all. The 1926 precedent (King – Bing) that is setting the tone for what is about to happen now. There have been many that have stepped in to replace a retiring Prime Minister. They don’t usually call an election for a new mandate. They lose a confidence vote and are forced to have another election.

In any case, what’s happening now is rare but completely democratic, legal and following the procedure laid out in our parliamentary system. The only people crying about this not being democratic are the radical right Conservatives who just can’t accept the error of their ways. It’s about to be over. Period. I hope it works better than what’s there now.

[kenmore]

Harper is a tunnel visioned autocrat who wants the crown of Canada.. the little big man syndrome..he doesnt even listen to his advisors.. knows dick about anything. steals speeches and had notes during the debate, which wasnt allowed.. there are other terms to describe his style but its getting boring.. The cons need a leadership review.. and I suspect it wont be long coming.. even Peter Mackay would be an improvement.

[poquas]

EyeBrock wrote:

It's never too late poquas. Welcome to the forum.

I used to be optimistic about things like that too!