[ryan29]

would the proposed coaliton be undemocratic ?

in recent days there has been talk of a potential coaliton between the liberals and ndp with the help of the separtist bloc quebecois in some form . even though on october 14 canadians voted and did not vote for such a coalition or was there any talk of such plans during the election . canadians clearly re-elected the conservative government who won 143 seats far more than there closest opponent the liberals who won 77 seats .

there is also no history of such coalitons happening in ottawa , during previous minority governments such as joe clark and paul martin when they were defeated there was another election. so the opposition cannot claim this has happened before .

so would the proposed coalition be undemocratic since the canadian voters have never had there say or ever given the chance to vote on such a plan .

[bootlegga]

Given that the three parties in the proposed coalition received more than 50% of the votes, it would actually be the first time in a long time that the government had such a majority.

Therefore, it would be fairly democratic, as the majority of Canadians would be represented.

[hurley_108]

ryan29 wrote:

on october 14 canadians voted and did not vote for such a coalition or was there any talk of such plans during the election .

Canadians also were not voting on whether or not to remove the $1.95 subsidy, so Harper's way off his democratic base in trying to remove it.

[mtbr]

hurley_108 wrote:

ryan29 wrote:

on october 14 canadians voted and did not vote for such a coalition or was there any talk of such plans during the election .

Canadians also were not voting on whether or not to remove the $1.95 subsidy, so Harper's way off his democratic base in trying to remove it.

A government is not allowed to introduce new policy while it governs?

sounds undemocratic

[Thanos]

It might not be undemocratic but by relying on the Bloc to prop it up it certainly can be considered anti-Canadian, anti-nationalist, and anti-federalist.

The Liberals and NDP's will never get this stain off of them that they've covered themselves with by getting into bed with the Bloc.

[bootlegga]

Thanos wrote:

It might not be undemocratic but by relying on the Bloc to prop it up it certainly can be considered anti-Canadian, anti-nationalist, and anti-federalist.

The Liberals and NDP's will never get this stain off of them that they've covered themselves with by getting into bed with the Bloc.

Harper had no problems using the Bloc to topple Martin, why is this any different?

[StuntmanMike]

ryan29 wrote:

there is also no history of such coalitons happening in ottawa , during previous minority governments such as joe clark and paul martin when they were defeated there was another election. so the opposition cannot claim this has happened before . .

Actually, that's not entirely correct. Canada was ruled by a Liberal/NDP coalition following the 1972 election. Interestingly enough, that coincided with the introduction of reckless deficit spending that continued on for 23 years and almost bankrupted us.

We also had a coalition government in 1917 over the devisive issue of conscription.

[mtbr]

bootlegga wrote:

Thanos wrote:

It might not be undemocratic but by relying on the Bloc to prop it up it certainly can be considered anti-Canadian, anti-nationalist, and anti-federalist.

The Liberals and NDP's will never get this stain off of them that they've covered themselves with by getting into bed with the Bloc.

Harper had no problems using the Bloc to topple Martin, why is this any different?

did they join hands , copulate and form a coalition afterward?

[kenmore]

No a coalition is not undemocratic.. otherwise there wouldnt be such things.. the fact of the matter is the current autocratic regime does not have a clue as to what to do about the current crises.. thousands are losing their jobs.. the torys didnt have a plan even though they knew it was coming and instead chose to blow the surplus left by better managers of the economy.. there are many reasons why they should be toppled.. one is their lack of compassion for the average guy and their big business support ..they dont understand the "Great" nation of Quebec and never will. harper is a sleezy slimey autocrat who will forfit the protection of the Canadian people to feather his own nest and desire to be Czar supreme of Canada.. I listened to M.Rae this morning and he was right on with his view of harper and the torys.. they plan to move forward and he warned Canadians that the slime balls will be spending money on stone throwing ads that will attempt to sway voters to them.. lots of luck..the thousands in Ontario who are losing their jobs and in other provinces will see through they typical shit slinging torys.. BRING EM DOWN...TOUTE DE SUITE!

[Mustang1]

Is it undemocratic? No. Is it without precedent? No. It looks like the uneducated partisan hacks (see Ryan) are trying their hands at politics again. Save us the hassle and stick to aping blogs, editorials and the Internet.

[StuntmanMike]

kenmore wrote:

No a coalition is not undemocratic.. otherwise there wouldnt be such things.. the fact of the matter is the current autocratic regime does not have a clue as to what to do about the current crises.. thousands are losing their jobs.. the torys didnt have a plan even though they knew it was coming and instead chose to blow the surplus left by better managers of the economy.. there are many reasons why they should be toppled.. one is their lack of compassion for the average guy and their big business support ..they dont understand the "Great" nation of Quebec and never will. harper is a sleezy slimey autocrat who will forfit the protection of the Canadian people to feather his own nest and desire to be Czar supreme of Canada.. I listened to M.Rae this morning and he was right on with his view of harper and the torys.. they plan to move forward and he warned Canadians that the slime balls will be spending money on stone throwing ads that will attempt to sway voters to them.. lots of luck..the thousands in Ontario who are losing their jobs and in other provinces will see through they typical shit slinging torys.. BRING EM DOWN...TOUTE DE SUITE!

This is perhaps the most cathartic post I've read in some time. Partisan, meandering, drivel. Enough said.

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Mustang1:Is it undemocratic? No. Is it without precedent? No. It looks like the uneducated partisan hacks (see Ryan) are trying their hands at politics again. Save us the hassle and stick to aping blogs, editorials and the Internet.

True, on all counts. The hard-core partisans on all sides need to turn it down a bit, because they sound ridiculous.

This isn't undemocratic. A coalition is an acceptable, though relatively rare, phenomenon inherent to the Westminister Parliamentary system.

That said, I think it would be disasterous for the country at this stage of the game. During such an uncertain economic period, the last thing this country needs is a prolonged period of political uncertainty. And a coalition made up of a group of disparate, bickering camps ranging from hard-core NDP leftists to Hard-core Quebec Separatists is almost sure to fail.

Harper deserves all the criticism he's getting for plunging the country into this mess with his deliberate attempt to kick the Liberals in the teeth with his electoral reforms while they were reeling.

But like it or not, the Conservatives are really the only viable option to govern at the moment.

[mtbr]

StuntmanMike wrote:

Harper deserves all the criticism he's getting for plunging the country into this mess with his deliberate attempt to kick the Liberals in the teeth with his electoral reforms while they were reeling.

True, Harper opened the box, however for the Liberals to deny this has nothing to do with bringing down the house even after it was withdrawn is absolute poppycock.
This was in the works even before they had heard any details from the economic update.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... itics/home

[hwacker]

kenmore wrote:

No a coalition is not undemocratic.. otherwise there wouldnt be such things.. the fact of the matter is the current autocratic regime does not have a clue as to what to do about the current crises.. thousands are losing their jobs.. the torys didnt have a plan even though they knew it was coming and instead chose to blow the surplus left by better managers of the economy.. there are many reasons why they should be toppled.. one is their lack of compassion for the average guy and their big business support ..they dont understand the "Great" nation of Quebec and never will. harper is a sleezy slimey autocrat who will forfit the protection of the Canadian people to feather his own nest and desire to be Czar supreme of Canada.. I listened to M.Rae this morning and he was right on with his view of harper and the torys.. they plan to move forward and he warned Canadians that the slime balls will be spending money on stone throwing ads that will attempt to sway voters to them.. lots of luck..the thousands in Ontario who are losing their jobs and in other provinces will see through they typical shit slinging torys.. BRING EM DOWN...TOUTE DE SUITE!

Don't worry Sir Liberal, this will bring a end to your beloved liberals forever. IF this coalition happens you can count the days before we have a new election and I’ll guarantee you the Canadian people will reelect Harper with a majority this time and put an end to the party with no money.

As for your little sob story about the “average” guy, get the fuck to work. The days of sitting back and let somebody else do the heavy lifting are over. I have no compassion for lazy ass liberals that think the government should be the “ONE” giving me a job and wiping my ass every time I have a wet fart.

I’ll give you a bit of advice, people that aren’t afraid of work and have skills needed for the marketplace will always have a job, if you strive for just being the average “Joe” well then you better look for a union to join because you’re just a number on a timecard and easily replaceable.

Too bad the unions like CAW and CUPE are about to get a rude awakening. The gravy train is over.

As for Quebec, well if Hyundai, Gm couldn’t make it work in your stupid province and it’s going gangbusters in Alabama,China kinda makes you wonder who the rednecks are doesn’t it ?

[Sapio]

hurley_108 wrote:

ryan29 wrote:

on october 14 canadians voted and did not vote for such a coalition or was there any talk of such plans during the election .

Canadians also were not voting on whether or not to remove the $1.95 subsidy, so Harper's way off his democratic base in trying to remove it.

The funny (or not so funny)thing is that most Canadians did not know that political parties got this 1.95 until all this started.

[ryan29]

Thanos wrote:

It might not be undemocratic but by relying on the Bloc to prop it up it certainly can be considered anti-Canadian, anti-nationalist, and anti-federalist.

The Liberals and NDP's will never get this stain off of them that they've covered themselves with by getting into bed with the Bloc.

the bloc is the poison pill in all of this as the liberals and ndp do not have more seats than the conservatives so they would need significant help from the bloc to pass anything .

i doubt that working with the bloc to try and overthrow a democratically elected government will be tolerated outside of quebec , the liberals have underestimated the disgust at this possibility .