[DerbyX]

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course they are, but guess who was forced to side with separatists and uber-left wingers for a year? The majority of Canadians don't want to mix church with state, thats the only reason I don't support conservatives. I think Canada needs to increase its military spending, limit immigration, and have tax cuts for eco-freindly venues. But I cannot suppport discriminating a man based upon his sexual preferance.

I could not have said that better!

[ridenrain]

Canadian_Mind wrote:

But I cannot suppport discriminating a man based upon his sexual preferance.

There's that scary Steven Harper, with his bad hair and scary neo-con ideals.. can't trust him. He's as bad as that someone who rode a sea-doo when all the Liberals were still stuffy old white guys in suits, .. or that someone had a squeaky voice. He was lampooned all over the Canadian Comedy shows but I still see him being interviewed and referred to as a great Canadian
What do you know. there's always something wrong with the opposition. Good thing Jack is our friend.
Maybe it's time for Canadians to do their homework and read the news, rather than let CBC tell us what to think.

[twister]

Motorcycleboy wrote:

twister wrote:

hmmm. thought you might have actually had some pictures of them IN ACTION.... or actual events that happened

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Health Minister Ujal Dosanjh, who until this time had been ignoring everyone else at the meeting and yelling vulgar Punjabi words into a cellphone at an unidentified recipient stopped abruptly and looked up.

Was there really a need to include this bit of tripe... ?

Yes there was. My point was Dosanjh is a crook and he'll probably get away with it because the ethics commissioner is a toothless wonder whose easily influenced by the government.

The Punjabi language comment illustrates the fact most of his power base and ground workers (therefore those who assist him in his corrupt practice) are centred in BC's Indo-Canadian community. It's not a slight on Indo-Canadians if that's what you're alluding to. Just a slight on those who support a corrupt politician in a corrupt party. It also paints a picture in the reader's mind, which is the point of descriptive narrative.


Sorry you missed the subtlety twister.

Ya got the subtlety... I am generally a rather sarcastic person.. just I did not find your post at all either realistic or humerous. Your perception of Mr Dosanj as a crook... hmm do you feel that Mr. Grewal was in fact a night in shining armour.. and his attempts to show the liberals for what they really are.. was torn apart by the liberal biased media.

[Tory_canuck]

All liberals are crooks!They only want to cling to power.Stronache was bought by the Liberals for a cabinet seat in order to save the Libs from a non-confidence vote.They attempted to sell Inky Mark an ambassadorship or senate post but he declined and exposed this.The Libs later said they don't take people from the "lower gene pool" which is considered a racist slur towards Inky Mark in regards to his Chinese-Canadian heritage.Then the Grewal affair.Grewal may have acted stupidly in trying to catch the Libs in the act but that does not excuse the liberals from the fact that they tried to buy votes.They were caught red handed.Even if it means a Tory MP fell on his own sword, it exposes the true colours of the Grits.Grewal, though right in his intentions of exposing the Grits, was wrong in the course of action he took.He should have submitted that tape directly to the RCMP instead of the leader's office.I do not know if any tapes were altered or not.It is up to the RCMP to find out so therefore I will not pass any judgement until the investigation is completed and published.

[DerbyX]

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All liberals are crooks!They only want to cling to power.Stronache was bought by the Liberals for a cabinet seat in order to save the Libs from a non-confidence vote.They attempted to sell Inky Mark an ambassadorship or senate post but he declined and exposed this.The Libs later said they don't take people from the "lower gene pool" which is considered a racist slur towards Inky Mark in regards to his Chinese-Canadian heritage.Then the Grewal affair.Grewal may have acted stupidly in trying to catch the Libs in the act but that does not excuse the liberals from the fact that they tried to buy votes.They were caught red handed.Even if it means a Tory MP fell on his own sword, it exposes the true colours of the Grits.Grewal, though right in his intentions of exposing the Grits, was wrong in the course of action he took.He should have submitted that tape directly to the RCMP instead of the leader's office.I do not know if any tapes were altered or not.It is up to the RCMP to find out so therefore I will not pass any judgement until the investigation is completed and published.

I guess your age at 16-17. Grow up. That just isn't true.

[Patrick_Ross]

DerbyX wrote:

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All liberals are crooks!They only want to cling to power.Stronache was bought by the Liberals for a cabinet seat in order to save the Libs from a non-confidence vote.They attempted to sell Inky Mark an ambassadorship or senate post but he declined and exposed this.The Libs later said they don't take people from the "lower gene pool" which is considered a racist slur towards Inky Mark in regards to his Chinese-Canadian heritage.Then the Grewal affair.Grewal may have acted stupidly in trying to catch the Libs in the act but that does not excuse the liberals from the fact that they tried to buy votes.They were caught red handed.Even if it means a Tory MP fell on his own sword, it exposes the true colours of the Grits.Grewal, though right in his intentions of exposing the Grits, was wrong in the course of action he took.He should have submitted that tape directly to the RCMP instead of the leader's office.I do not know if any tapes were altered or not.It is up to the RCMP to find out so therefore I will not pass any judgement until the investigation is completed and published.

I guess your age at 16-17. Grow up. That just isn't true.

Sadly, all of that is true. Every bit of it.

[Motorcycleboy]

twister wrote:

[ Your perception of Mr Dosanj as a crook... hmm do you feel that Mr. Grewal was in fact a night in shining armour.. and his attempts to show the liberals for what they really are.. was torn apart by the liberal biased media.

Actually, Grewal strikes me as a repellent human being. I don't like him, and haven't since he was the one who orchestrated the campaign to steal the Conservative nomination from Chuck Cadman (that worked out well, didn't it?). I think his actions in the whole "vote-selling" affair were slimy and the Conservatives would be better off without him.

But the fact is that Grewal is a lowly opposition, back bench MP. Dosanjh on the other hand is a senior cabinet minister and as such must be held to a much higher standard. You see, with increased power and influence, comes an increased expectation of ethical behaviour and responsibility. That's the way our system is supposed to work anyway.

I don't care if Grewal approached the Liberals or if it was the other way around. Rather than negotiate with the wayward MP, an ethical member of cabinet would have rebuffed him in the first place and reported his offer to the ethics commissioner.

And for those like Derby, who still have their heads in the sand about Liberal malfeasance, I'll just point out that that particular cabinet minister is a new addition to the Liberal team who joined long after the sponsorship program was over. Just goes to show corruption is contagious. Its a cancer, and the way to deal with a cancer is to cut the tumor and all the surrounding tissue away.

Oh, one more thing. Let's also remember that during the whole sordid affair, Dosanjh was accompanied by none other than Tim Murphy, who is Martin's chief of staff and right hand man. Are you telling me that guy was working totally contrary to the wishes of Martin? Senior mandarins spend their entire careers anticipating the desires of their boss.

[Motorcycleboy]

Avro wrote:

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The same thing happened in Ontario with the Provincial Tories. I was (am) a huge fan of Mike Harris and his leaner, meaner, less in your face approach to government. They gave Ontario some good years, from 95-2000.

Jesus frigging Christ!! Were you asleep those years or what? I wish I had time for this thread right now but I don't....maybe later.

No, I wasn't asleep those years. Or the years leading up to them.

You and the rest of the public sector union crowd may not like it Avro, but Mike and the CSR made this province competitive again after the NDP fucked it up.

Mike balanced the budget, after the NDP ran a 10 Billion dollar deficit (that's 10B in 1992 dollars!).

He took on the out of control teacher and public sector unions.

He repealed the employment equity legislation that relegated white males in Ontario to second tier status when seeking employment.

He brought in the safe streets act, which had a noticable effect on reducing panhandling, squeegee kids etc. At least until the left wing Toronto council stopped the cops from enforcing it.

He reduced welfare. Not to some draconian, poverty level, but he brought it down in line with the national average after the NDP had bankrupted the province by ramping it up.

Through his Omnibus legislation, he made cities like Toronto responsible for their own finances, forcing them to be more accountable to the local taxpayer. They're still crying foul over that! No more spending like drunken sailors on grants to Gay Community Theatre Troops, then running to the province for more money when the well's dry.

So yeah, I was paying attention. So were a significant number of my fellow Ontarians over two consecutive elections, because we voted him in twice. Remember?