[Robert]

I just heard a neat idea, Jean Charest calls a referendum on a question of his choice (one that all Canadians would agree to). Can just see Whacky Jacky Parizeau leaving his vineyard in France to stump for a Charest referendum. Only in Canada!!!!!

[_747]

[QUOTE BY= robert] I just heard a neat idea, Jean Charest calls a referendum on a question of his choice (one that all Canadians would agree to). Can just see Whacky Jacky Parizeau leaving his vineyard in France to stump for a Charest referendum. Only in Canada!!!!![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Providing you fit the definition of Canadian!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <br /> <br /> Hint look up Quebecois!!<br /> <br /> Come'on Robert who were they fighting???

[Robert]

747 wrote: <b>Who were the Canadians Fighting Robert????</b><br /> <br /> Tell me 747, you are the one interested in the events of 1749.

[Robert]

747 wrote: <b>Providing you fit the definition of Canadian!! </b><br /> <br /> ...And what is the definition of Canadian?

[Robert]

<br /> <br /> <b>If Quebec Joined the United States</b><br /> <br /> If Quebec were to become a State within the United States of America they would have to join with the understanding that they would not be catered to, or treated specially; they would be equal members in a strong and united Union, nothing more, and nothing less.<br /> <br /> The fact remains that Quebec stands to gain as much as the rest of Canada does in joining with the United States. Quebec, with its high unemployment, high debt and high taxes would see all these negatives shrink within a larger Union. Quebec often boasts how it does more trade with the United States than with the rest of Canada, and obvious benefits would arise from not having to deal with trade barriers that exist at international boundaries. <br /> <br /> Economically, Quebec stands to gain as much as the rest of Canada. However, what about Quebec's special needs? What about the French language? What about protecting Quebec's distinct culture? These are obviously issues that would need to be dealt with between the US and Quebec governments. However, it is not unprecedented for individual US states to protect their cultures. When the Louisiana Territory was divided and Louisiana was admitted as a state in 1812, it was given special rights to protect its French heritage (See CODOFIL). When the Republic of Texas joined the Union in 1845, being its own country, it was given many liberties, and special rights to protect its culture (See THC). When Hawaii entered the Union in 1959, it was also given special rights to protect its distinct and different culture (See HCPA). Surely, Quebec would be free to protect their own culture and heritage within the confines of the US Constitution, which provides liberty and equality for all.<br /> <br /> In the end, what we have in common is far greater than what differs between us. If Hawaii with its different culture, ethnic groups, traditions, values and completely different original language could grow and prosper within the United States, then so can Quebec. <br />

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[QUOTE BY= robert] 747 wrote: <b>Who were the Canadians Fighting Robert????</b><br /> <br /> Tell me 747, you are the one interested in the events of 1749.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b>Montcalm had 13,390 troops and militia available in Quebec City and Beauport a few kilometres away, as well as 200 cavalry, 200 artillery, 300 natives (among which were upper Great Lakes Outaouais warriors following Charles de Langlade), and 140 Acadian volunteers. This was about one quarter of the entire population of New France, but a significant portion of these forces was made up of inexperienced militia, whereas most of the British force had fought in the American colonies earlier in the Seven Years' War. About 100 <u>Canadian</u> militia defended the top of the cliff above Anse au Folon, but 385 <u>British troops</u> were able to scale the cliff and capture the cannons and the militia's camp. By the September 13 almost 5,000 British had made it up the cliff to the plains. Throughout the length of the siege the <u>British</u> had suffered 270 deaths and 1,220 wounded; French casualties prior to the battle are unknown, but the British bombardment of the town, from ships and batteries set at Sainte-Petronille and Lévis, had been severe."[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Hmmm... Canadians Fighting the British!!<br /> <br /> In your mind British and Canadian are one in the same.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw010118))">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw010118))<br /> </a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b><br /> Quote George Washington to Robert Jackson, August 2, 1755 <br /> <br /> We, but a few moments before, believ'd our number's almost equal to the <u>Canadian</u> Force ; they only expected to annoy us. Yet, contrary to all expectation and human probability, and even to the common course of things, we were totally defeated, sustain'd the loss of every thing; which they have got, are enrichen'd and strengthened by it[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Who were the Canadians fighting here Robert??<br /> <br /> <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw260380))">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw260380))</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE] <br /> <b>George Washington, April 18, 1783, General Orders </b><br /> </b><br /> the <u>United States</u> in General, and in particular to those gallant and persevering men who had resolved to defend the rights of their invaded country so long as the war should continue. For these are the men who ought to be considered as the pride and boast of the <u>American</u> Army; And, who crowned with well earned laurels, may soon withdraw from the field of Glory, to the more tranquil walks of civil life.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> See that Robert, the Canadians were fighting the Americans.<br /> <br /> Definition of a true Canadian would be<br /> <br /> Quebecois<br /> <br /> A native or inhabitant of Quebec, especially a French-speaking one.<br /> <br /> Just Substitute Canadian for Quebecois, and Canada for Quebec. Quebecois was Canadian as Quebec was Canada. Unless you fit that definition you are not Canadian. Call yourself one, but that does not make you Canadian. Tell me Robert when did you become Canadian?? Because Canada passed a law saying you are canadian, that makes you Canadian!! Sure, whatever <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> Canadians/Quebecois are occupied people that fell under british rule in 1759. We are holding referendums until we liberate ourselves or we are liberated by an external force. Europe will likely be that external Force. The power of the monarchy is dead. Quebecois, the Canadians are free to go on their way. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>

[Robert]

747 wrote: <b>Tell me Robert when did you become Canadian?? </b><br /> <br /> I didn't become a Canadian I was <u>born</u> a Canadian. I was born long after 1949.

[Robert]

747 wrote: <b>In your mind British and Canadian are one in the same</b>.<br /> <br /> Actually, 747, I don't believe British and Canadians are one in the same, nor do I imagine do Australians believe they are British. We share the Queen, that is all. <br /> <br /> I would be just as happy if we got rid of Queen Betty Windsor but she really is quite harmless.

[Robert]

747 wrote: <b>We are holding referendums until we liberate ourselves or we are liberated by an external force.</b><br /> <br /> And how will the referendum question be worded to justify liberation? In what way are you being held back? Is your language or culture or laws in danger? How about the language and culture of anglos and allophones? Will they be liberated in the new improved Quebec?<br /> <br /> Don't count on France. Me thinks those days are long gone when France had any real interest in Quebec. <br /> <br /> France has enough trouble dealing with it's own separatists in Corsica.<br />

[sebastien]

<br /> If Québec separates... what its fierce opponents will do ? Leave, promote partitionism or stay in peace ? I hope they will choose the third option.<br /> <br /> How come we don't hear you Dino, Calumny, Dr Caleb on that partionism thing ? Would you dare to promote it (even if it's worthless) after un OUI vote... even if you don't live in Québec ? You support Robert view ? Really... <br /> <br /> Another fear argument ! Come on Robert leave us our country. It's yours too. English-speaking America is big... we're not asking the moon. Leave that partitionism. Join Québec country, help us built together at last.

[_747]

[QUOTE BY= robert] 747 wrote: <b>We are holding referendums until we liberate ourselves or we are liberated by an external force.</b><br /> <br /> And how will the referendum question be worded to justify liberation? In what way are you being held back? Is your language or culture or laws in danger? How about the language and culture of anglos and allophones? Will they be liberated in the new improved Quebec?<br /> <br /> Don't count on France. Me thinks those days are long gone when France had any real interest in Quebec. <br /> <br /> France has enough trouble dealing with it's own separatists in Corsica.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Go back into the posts Robert. France is actively honoring the Quebecois. Do I need to repost that post for you??<br /> <br /> Is is it so hard for you to understand that the Canadians now the Quebecois lost a battle and as a result fell under British Rule. Obviously there has been a conspiracy of nth degree to wipe the Canadians out. But God has smiled on man with George Washington's letters. We have been forever immortalized by George Washington. The Founding Fathers of the United States made many mentions of Canada and what they should do for Canada. None of which has come to pass, in time I am sure it will <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> When I say Canada, obviously I mean Quebec.<br /> <br /> In case you have'nt noticed Robert, it's called the European Union. What are going to separate to??? The European Union <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'><br /> <br /> Get it Robert!!!<br /> <br /> Understand Robert we are an occupied people that fell under British Rule.

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[QUOTE BY= robert] 747 wrote: <b>Tell me Robert when did you become Canadian?? </b><br /> <br /> I didn't become a Canadian I was <u>born</u> a Canadian. I was born long after 1949.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I was born in Europe, does that make me European? How about if I was Chinese and I was born in Europe would that make me European Robert? It might make me a citiznen but that does not make me European. Canadian is symbolic of an Identity, as American is an Identity, as European is an Identity, as japanese is, as Australian is, as Brazilian is, as....etc..Where you are born is irrevalent as to your origins. Canadian is more than mere Citizenship to Canada, it represents the Quebecois who fell under British Rule. British Rule is no more. What we are left with Robert is your empty threats of partition but you have failed to illustrate who is going to carry out your threats. <br /> <br /> Canada has humilated itself before the world with it VE day celebrations. The media and the politicians go on about how the Canadian's liberated the Netherlands and parade about Europe like a bunch of A-holes. Technically and in actual fact the Canadians did not liberate the Netherlands. Those who fought from Canada were doing so as British Subjects not Canadians. Europe knows Canada belonged to France at one time, the United States Knows Canada belonged to France at one time. The United States and Europe also knows the Quebecois are in fact the Canadians not the imposters showcasing themselves as spectacles before Europe and the media. A dead give away is the Anglais spoken <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> Can anyone say jackass!!<br /> <br /> Robert the Canadians are occupied people and we will be liberated or we will gain Sovereignty by Association. It appears you are for Canada being annexed by the United States and You believe Quebec would be fine in the United States union. You also stated Quebec would receive no special treatment in the Union. That statement is actually incorrect. Quebec would receive special treatment in the Union of the United States.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hlaw:4:./temp/~ammem_wGbV::">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hlaw:4:./temp/~ammem_wGbV::</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b>Montmorin wrote on October 15, 1778, to Vergennes that Florida-Blanca proposed to the English minister (Grantham) the following settlement:<br /> <br /> (1) Absolute independence of the Colonies. <br /> (2) <b>Preservation of Canada and Acadia</b> by England.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Obviously Quebec (Canada) has had to fight to preserve itself under British Rule, and is still fighting with Canada to achieve that. This is actually why Canada may ultimately be Annexed by the United States or Europe. The British and Canada have failed to respect Quebec (Canada) by empowering it to preserve itself. Under the Union of the United States the United States Congress would respect the right of Quebec (Canada) to preserve itself as per request of Spain in this document. The Quebecois (Canadians) would be able to use this document as a legal shield as enshrined Constitutional rights under the Union of the United States of America. Therefor Quebec (Canada) would receive favored or preferential treatment in relation to other states in the Union. <br /> <br /> So guess what Canada, Quebec (Canada) would indeed have distinct society under the banner of the United States. One way or another Quebec will reach Liberation or distinct society. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <br /> <br /> Because Quebec will receive distinct Society under the banner of the Union of the United States once Canada is annexed anything less than Sovereignty by Association in present Canada is unacceptable. <br /> <br /> What is it going to be?? Sovereignty by Association or Annexation by Europe or the United States!!

[_747]

<a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002378)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002378)):</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b>NOVEMBER 27. 1775<br /> <br /> <br /> subject. Proper persons will certainly and presently be appointed, under proper regulations, to determine on sea Captures. I heartily congratulate you on the surrender of St. Johns. That of Montreal must, 1 think, quickly follow, because it is quite defenceless and because the far greater part of the <b>Canadians are surely on our side</b>. If Colo. Arnold meets with success at Quebec, we shall be in a fine posture to receive our enemies next spring. I have been strongly inclined to think that the design of this last reenforcement to Boston, is intended for something decisive this fall. Their credit, their necessities, and many other considerations seem to render an attempt on yr. lines probable. I make no doubt but the most effectual guard will be taken to render this attempt fatal to its Authors. It is impossible that vice can so triumph over virtue, as that the Slaves of Tyranny should succeed against the brave and generous Assertors of Liberty, and the just rights of humanity. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> What is happening here??? The United States is fighting Canada but the Canadians are on the Americans Side?!?!?<br /> <br /> Who were the Americans fighting?????<br /> <br /> <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002391)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002391)):</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b>NOVEMBER 29, 1775<br /> <br /> Canada and to the Indians, the views and objects of the United Colonies. Success, equal to the justice of the cause, has followed this undertaking. With indefatigable zeal 3000 Men crossed Lake Champlain and laid siege to Fort St. Johns, which place, as the key to Canada, had been made very strong by Govr. Carlton, and garrisoned with 500 regular Troops and <b>100 Canadians</b>. During this siege, a detachment from the Army pierced further into the Country, invested and took Fort Chamble (between St. Johns & Montreal) that was garrison'd by about 80 Regulars. Gen. Carleton having by this time collected 800 Men, marched to the relief of St. Johns, when 600 of the Am. Troops met and defeated him. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Check it out, the Canadians were fighting alongside our American counterparts against our occupiers the British or British Subjects. One in the same to me. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> <br /> <br /> Whatever happened with those Canadians???<br /> <br /> <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002422)):">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(dg002422)):</a><br /> <br /> [QUOTE]</b>DECEMBER 5, 1775<br /> <br /> Great Britain that we would fight, and were not a Rope of Sand, therefore An Army was formed, Expedition against Canada &c Success Attend every Where. Said The Savages who were to be lett loose to Murder our helpless wives dr Children were our friends. <b>The Canadians fought in our Cause</b>, and Canada, from thence Armys were to over run us, is Conquered in as few Months [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Should the United States forget the Acts of the true Canadians???? Should the United States Continued to allow us to be ill treated by our occupiers?

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= _747] <br /> <br /> Is is it so hard for you to understand that the Canadians now the Quebecois lost a battle and as a result fell under British Rule. Obviously there has been a conspiracy of nth degree to wipe the Canadians out. But God has smiled on man with George Washington's letters. We have been forever immortalized by George Washington. The Founding Fathers of the United States made many mentions of Canada and what they should do for Canada. None of which has come to pass, in time I am sure it will <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> When I say Canada, obviously I mean Quebec.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Why did those Loyalists take that Canada name I wonder ? Why didn't they chose another name. Someone wrote a book about that.<br /> <br /> Some would argue that Canada was a stolen coutry name. It's around 1850 that those english-speaking Loyalists started to call themselves Canadians... Very strange desire !!! To steal to another people its name. Les Québécois s'appelaient Canadiens (tu devrais mettre un "e" 747 pour qu'on puisse bien distinguer de qui tu parles ). Why did they do that ? Very strange. <br /> <br /> Let's be condescending Québécois... let's give that Canada name to our english-speaking brothers.

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[QUOTE BY= sebastien]<br /> Why did those Loyalists take that Canada name I wonder ? Why didn't they chose another name. Someone wrote a book about that.<br /> <br /> Some would argue that Canada was a stolen coutry name. It's around 1850 that those english-speaking Loyalists started to call themselves Canadians... Very strange desire !!! To steal to another people its name. Les Québécois s'appelaient Canadiens (tu devrais mettre un "e" 747 pour qu'on puisse bien distinguer de qui tu parles ). Why did they do that ? Very strange. <br /> <br /> Let's be condescending Québécois... let's give that Canada name to our english-speaking brothers.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I don't believe traitors, our enemies (We fought alongside the Americans during the the Revolution) and our occupiers should be able to take refuge under the Banner of Canada. Canada is the Quebecois's property as is Canadian/Canadien. The Americans have always refered to us as the Canadian not canadien, so therefore I will annex the Canadian brand back into the Quebecois fold <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'> Canadian and Canadien is the Quebecois's Intellectual Property. In the 1850's there was serious talk by the United States Congress of Annexing Canada, maybe this had something to do with these loyalists embracing the Concept. In anycase, they can call themselves Canadian but that doesn't make them Canadian <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <br /> <br /> Nor will their lies overshadow the historical record of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/cool.gif' alt='Cool'>