[michou]

[QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> Do you actually believe the Canadian goverment would allow Quebec to use the currency!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What is truly amazing dino is that you would keep on believing that Canada wouldn't allow it. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= dino] Of course not. Quebecers could use the american currency if the united states allowed them to use it. <br /> I would love to see the PQ campaigning to Quebecers that they would be better of having the money controlled by a country as capitalistic as the united states the Canada.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Ever heard of deeeeeeep integration dino ? In more or less twenty years time, independent Québec or not, all Canadians and Québécers will be carrying American money anyway. <br /> While you are arguing about what Québec and Canada should fight over, your very own are selling your country bound hand and foot to the U.S. <br /> <br /> Realistically, an independent Québec will probably not escape integration with the U.S. or like Canada, it will become another satellite nation to the empire but with an exception, because we have one to speak of, Québec's cultural life and soul will survive.

[Dino]

[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> Do you actually believe the Canadian goverment would allow Quebec to use the currency!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What is truly amazing dino is that you would keep on believing that Canada wouldn't allow it. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= dino] Of course not. Quebecers could use the american currency if the united states allowed them to use it. <br /> I would love to see the PQ campaigning to Quebecers that they would be better of having the money controlled by a country as capitalistic as the united states the Canada.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Ever heard of deeeeeeep integration dino ? In more or less twenty years time, independent Québec or not, all Canadians and Québécers will be carrying American money anyway. <br /> While you are arguing about what Québec and Canada should fight over, your very own are selling your country bound hand and foot to the U.S. <br /> <br /> Realistically, an independent Québec will probably not escape integration with the U.S. or like Canada, it will become another satellite nation to the empire but with an exception, because we have one to speak of, Québec's cultural life and soul will survive. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Michou find me one person in english Canada that would tolerate 12% of the Canadian population breaking apart the country and contuning to use Canadian currency. Besides the government has already said that this won't happen.<br /> <br /> When yugoslavia broke away from the czechs they had to find there own currency, own passport and pick which citizenship they wanted.<br /> <br /> For Canada being intergrated with the united states I agree it would also happen to an independant Quebec. That why I can't figure out why Gilles Duceppe views American intergration as a good thing for the french language and culture in Quebec.

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= dino]For Canada being intergrated with the united states I agree it would also happen to an independant Quebec. That why I can't figure out why Gilles Duceppe views American intergration as a good thing for the french language and culture in Quebec.[/QUOTE]<br /> I'll say it again, Québec is not threatened culturally by Americans. An example was Québec's appeal to the Hollywood cartel during the 80s. As a result, they since release their movies in French and English simultaneously. Their own Spanish community took the same approach and have also gained the same cultural acceptance.<br /> <br /> What hasn't changed is federalist agenda to eat away at Québec culture any which way they can. Such as Jean Charest having secret meetings with Paul Martin and gutting funding for our National holiday to compensate for the fact they can no longer prop up Canada Day here. Et j'en passe...<br /> <br /> Happy Canada Day to all you federalists at heart <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[flyyul]

Samuel,<br /> <br /> You obviously have a very unclear version of the facts<br /> <br /> http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/stats/1995ref.htm<br /> <br /> 60% of Franco's in Montreal voted yes in 1995, and 56.3% in Quebec City. <br /> <br /> Happy Canada Day, of which Quebec is a part of.<br /> <br /> Your gonna die a sad man bro <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'><br /> <br />

[michou]

Now this is interesting. Homosexuals, blacks and women are viewed favorably as future Québec premiers but not anglos ? Why ? <br /> <br /> <b><a href="http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=fc8cc3a6-fd8a-4aa7-ba35-6736084d7971">Quebec doesn't want Anglo premier: poll</a></b><br /> Canadian Presse<br /> June 30, 2005<br /> <br /> MONTREAL -- In a recent CROP poll conducted for "La Presse", 40 per cent of people said they didn't want an Anglophone premier in Quebec.<br /> On the other hand, 88 per cent of Quebecers interviewed said they wouldn't mind a female premier.<br />  <br /> Also, 76 per cent of people said they would vote for a homosexual, representing 81 per cent support from the younger generation while support drops in the 55-and-over age group.<br /> <br /> As for voting for a Black premier, 81 per cent  would be willing.<br /> <br /> This survey was conducted over the phone with a pool of 1001 interviewees, between the 16 and 27 June, and has a margin of error of three points.<br /> <br />

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= flyyul] Samuel,<br /> <br /> You obviously have a very unclear version of the facts<br /> <br /> http://www2.marianopolis.edu/quebechistory/stats/1995ref.htm<br /> <br /> 60% of Franco's in Montreal voted yes in 1995, and 56.3% in Quebec City. <br /> <br /> Happy Canada Day, of which Quebec is a part of.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> Which version of the facts do you say I'm wrong about? Are you refering to the fact millions were illegally spent by the feds to bring people in from outside Québec for that love-in? Or, are your refering to the fact Québec was flooded with immigrant instant votes prior to that referendum? That fiasco may turn out to be a blessing in disguise, many of these immigrants as well as their children have come to appreciate Québec and are sovereignists today. Many of them have values of integrity and don't appreciate perpetual and rampant corruption in federal government.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= flyyul]Your gonna die a sad man bro[/QUOTE]<br /> I live in Québec so I'm quite happy, thank you. I'll be ecstatic the day it becomes independent and free from the centralist mob in Ottawa.

[Dino]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel]<br /> I live in Québec so I'm quite happy, thank you. I'll be ecstatic the day it becomes independent and free from the centralist mob in Ottawa.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Samuel I must say that when you say there is to much power in Ottawa it's mostly inside your head and many other separatists. Canada is one the most decetralized countries in the WORLD. If you think it's so centralized, please tell me what powers Ottawa actually has?!

[michou]

Liste des candidats à la chefferie du Parti Québécois, sur un air connu :<br /> <br /> 10 … Marois, 9 Bernard, 8 Boisclair, 7 Legendre …<br /> 6 Ouimet, 5 Lebel, 4 Cormier et 3 Hébert, 2 St-André et une souris, uuuune souris ve-er-te ! <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= michou] Now this is interesting. Homosexuals, blacks and women are viewed favorably as future Québec premiers but not anglos ? Why ? <br /> <br /> <b><a href="http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=fc8cc3a6-fd8a-4aa7-ba35-6736084d7971">Quebec doesn't want Anglo premier: poll</a></b><br /> Canadian Presse<br /> June 30, 2005<br /> <br /> MONTREAL -- In a recent CROP poll conducted for "La Presse", 40 per cent of people said they didn't want an Anglophone premier in Quebec.<br /> On the other hand, 88 per cent of Quebecers interviewed said they wouldn't mind a female premier.<br />  <br /> Also, 76 per cent of people said they would vote for a homosexual, representing 81 per cent support from the younger generation while support drops in the 55-and-over age group.<br /> <br /> As for voting for a Black premier, 81 per cent  would be willing.<br /> <br /> This survey was conducted over the phone with a pool of 1001 interviewees, between the 16 and 27 June, and has a margin of error of three points.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> A black over an Anglo--God you Quebecers are socialist. How sad and funny.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> Do you actually believe the Canadian goverment would allow Quebec to use the currency!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> What is truly amazing dino is that you would keep on believing that Canada wouldn't allow it. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= dino] Of course not. Quebecers could use the american currency if the united states allowed them to use it. <br /> I would love to see the PQ campaigning to Quebecers that they would be better of having the money controlled by a country as capitalistic as the united states the Canada.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> Ever heard of deeeeeeep integration dino ? In more or less twenty years time, independent Québec or not, all Canadians and Québécers will be carrying American money anyway. <br /> While you are arguing about what Québec and Canada should fight over, your very own are selling your country bound hand and foot to the U.S. <br /> <br /> Realistically, an independent Québec will probably not escape integration with the U.S. or like Canada, it will become another satellite nation to the empire but with an exception, because we have one to speak of, Québec's cultural life and soul will survive. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Michou, currently David Dodge, Bank of Canada Governor, as bad as he is supports the Canadian dollar.<br /> <br /> People have pushed for a common currency forever. It may or may not happen. I doubt it will if people fight it.

[Perturbed]

Regarding the currency, Quebec would likely use Canadian currency, BUT, this would be a form of sovereignty-association. They wouldn't be fully independent.....they also wouldn't have their own military--MINOR DETAIL. HAHA. They hate fighting anyway, right?

[fleur-de-lys]

I hope you don't think the federalist leaders should refuse the sovereignty even if we had a majority ( 50%+1 ). We "hate fighting" because we are pro-democracy nation so don't think we will let you do this. For example in the 19th century it was really not a real democracy because they were a majority of french speakers in England's North America colonies. The names Lower Canada (french) and Upper Canada (english) was geographical and social (hierarchy). The political system was unfair and undemocratic, the parti patriote sent 92 resolutions to the King, hoping that he will accepts at least few of them. The King didn't even accept one, it leads to the 1837-1838 rebellion, the patriotes won the first battle but the Empire sent troops, fought the rebels with canons and burned houses with innocent civilians inside. <br /> <br /> The Constitution of 1867 was just another trick to place us in minority without our opinion, still the same BS: "work for us, obey our orders in english and shut your mouth". <br /> <br /> I won't talk against the massive immigration of the Irish, some of you might call me a racist. I've nothing against the Irish nor all the Anglo-Saxons but against English totalitarism. Hopefully the Irish, most of them, learned to speak the language of the majority (french), they didn't integrate the montrealers community ( rich english pro-monarchy from Montreal since few years or decades only), they were working with the french in farms or factories so they learned how to speak the language. Do you blame the french "canadians" to have assimiled the Irish ?<br /> <br /> Nowadays, Canada just can't refuse to give us sovereignty if we win the referendum. The UN will be on our side and the US army or anyelse army won't help the Canadian army to invade and "take back" Québec.

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed]They hate fighting anyway, right?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Depends on what kind of fighting you're talking about. If it is about fighting wars for the 'greater good of ruling empires', the answer to your question is yes. Until very recently, whenever the British empire was at war so was automatically one of its 'subject' country, Canada. Québec always fought back against conscription to fight 'Britain's' wars. Today, the new empire is American and Québécers are still against wars for the empire's sake. If it wasn't for the fact that hundreds of thousands of Québécers protested loud and clear against the Iraq war and also for the fact that a provincial election was just around the corner, there is a very good chance Chrétien would have followed up and joined with Bush, Blair and Howard on the illegal assault of Iraq. No secrets there. <br /> <br /> As for fighting for one's survival as a nation, as a people and for its unique culture, Québécers are still here after 400 years of history and they are still fighting back. Canadians on the other hand have only been fighting (are they really ?) their American's neighbor cultural assimilation for the past few decades and they are losing the battle. Give it a few more decades and at this speed of integration and assimilation, Québécers will still be Québécers but Canadians will have become little more than another name given for Americans like in Texans, Virginians, Californians, Canadians, etc...

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br /> A black over an Anglo--God you Quebecers are socialist. How sad and funny.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's right, Québécers would prefer a woman, a black or a homosexual over an anglo to be their prime minister. This has nothing to do with socialism, it is merely a question of trust. You learn from history and far too many times in Québec's own, anglo-saxons have proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> Michou find me one person in english Canada that would tolerate 12% of the Canadian population breaking apart the country and contuning to use Canadian currency. Besides the government has already said that this won't happen.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <b><a href="http://www.louisbernard.org/actu.php">Louis Bernard</a></b> is a PQ leadership candidate who thinks logically and speaks with common sense.<br /> <br /> " Le maintien d’une union douanière et monétaire entre le Québec et le Canada est indiscutablement dans l’intérêt des deux parties, notamment parce que le Québec est situé entre les Maritimes et l’Ontario, parce que les Québécois détiennent plus de 20 % de la monnaie canadienne et parce qu’une grande partie des échanges commerciaux actuels se font entre le Québec et le Canada. "<br /> <br />