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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:59 am
 


[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] Once again D, you are painting all Canadians with the brush dipped in the ink that are the few. <br /> <br />The few that read Canada.com, and the few of those that post on a sound off, and the few of those that actually get published. I see none of you venom directed toward the editors or moderators that actually approve those comments. Perhaps the 1 or 2 people that moderate are the ones with the agenda. <br /> <br />Or do you really see that it is only a few, perhaps 200 out of the 30,000,000 Canadians, but you just need more rhetoric to push you lame duck cause foreward? <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Hi Doctor C, I already said that Canada.com has the most newspapers all across the ROC! If the ROC was all French and Quebec was English, would you like to see your society continually bashed upon by the ROC? Whether the readers of Canada.com are 10, 1,000, 3,000 or 3,000 000, their hatred is spread all over the country and this is very visible on the international scene. <br /> <br />Besides, this article is about <b>CHAREST CONSIDERING PUTTING MONEY IN FRANCISATION OF IMMIGRANTS </b>(excuse the caps). That money comes from our provincial taxes, not the federal’s. And it is a provincial issue, not a national one. So why do Canada.com makes a national sound-off out of it????? I’ll tell you why. Because everything concerning Quebec or the promotion of French makes Canada sick! It makes Canada.com and Canadians sick! Canada just loves to hate us. <br /> <br />As to your comment about my venom not directed at the editors, I already addressed it : <br /> <br />[QUOTE](quoted from yours truly ) The Gâzette, obviously, doesn`t want to be alone in the hatred of Quebec. It needs to share it with all its good anglo citizens all over the ROC with a soundoff! The more, the merrier! [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />How more venomous can it get? <br /> <br />Here is some more reading from your fellow countrymen : <br />----------------- <br />Is all this bilge I've been reading what passes for well reasoned, intelligent discourse on this crappy site? Is this Canwest's target market? Anyone that wants to complain about all the money WE spend on promoting bilingualism in canada...well...if you have a problem with giving you're kids the opportunity to learn french thats fine. But this money also helps fund second language english instruction in french canada too. Thats the principle, isn't it. They get some (a lot of) english, we get some french. I mean, you dont have to learn anything new if you dont want to. But enough of this half-assed rage mongering, you guys are like 5 year olds. <br />And anyone who has a problem with the pittance that goes towards biklingualism in this country, thats OK to. Because I dont think my generation should have to pay for old age pensions we likely wont recieve when we retire. <br />------------------ <br />You have to keep your head in a hole to avoid realizing that English is the language of high-tech, the USA and 85% of Canadians. How stupid and selfish can you be! <br />------------- <br />Jean Charest is making himself the laughing stock of Canada. I was brought up in Quebec, and all our friends and neighbours were French If the "Lanugage Police" was ever mentioned then, they would have split their sides laughing. There was no problem sixty years ago. I believe that he'd just trying to make hay while the sun shines, and it's making him look rediculous. <br />------------- <br />The fact is that the French language is a dying language, diminishing along with the decreasing importance of France on the world stage. Even if Canada were to throw the whole country's resources into the futile attempt to breathe more life into this moribund language, it's not going to work. Let the French people keep their language alive using their own resources - don't bankrupt Canada in this futile social-engineering exercise. <br />------------ <br />Times have changed, says Jack Jedwab of the Association for Canadian Studies, referring to Dyane Adams's Action Plan to strengthen linguistic dualism and raise the proportion of high school graduates who have a command of both French and English. He says, these goals now seem more elusive than ever. Whereas language issues have been closely linked to identity in the past, this is less and less the case, especially for younger generations. And while Canadians seem to support individual bilingualism, this support is soft, regionally uneven, and does not necessarily translate into support for institutional bilingualism. Moreover, actual knowledge and use of a second language contrasts with opinions expressed in polls, and this suggests that increasing bilingualism levels will not be easy. In fact, concludes Jedwab, whereas language conflicts have traditionally pitted anglophones against francophones, the emerging confrontation might pit those who are bilingual against those who are not. <br />--------------- <br />This latest diatribe from Quebec once again reminds us of how stupid the policy of official bilingualism is. This Country is not bilingual and never will be. As for the advantage of having more than one language I say that it is a wonderful idea but the choice of languages should be up to the individual. Official bilingualism in Canada is divisive and very costly. Right now we have a commissioner of official languages traveling first class to various European and American cities to ensure that the doorman or some such individual at one of our consulates can speak French. Right now our Prime Minister is over in Africa pump up the Francophonie a phony organization trying to promote French in the world. It is time our government along with people like Charest, Chirac and the unlamented Chretien wake up to the fact that French is going rapidly down hill. It is esential to learn and know how to use English in our modern world. <br />----------------- <br />Quebec makes it ever more difficult for English speaking Canadians to live in the Province to force the English out. Hundreds of thousands have already left. The "Official Languages Act" is supposed to support the rights of liguistic minorities. Billions of dollars have been spent promoting French in the rest of Canada and a pittance on English in Quebec. Quebec is working to force the rest of Canada to speak French. The French are demanding services in their mother tongue in order to force all government institutions to hire bilingual(French) employees. This in turn allows more French spekers to be employed in traditionally English speaking areas of Canada. The latest extension of this policy as is to establish the premise that they have a "right" to speak to their respective supervisors in the language of their choice. This ensures fast promotions for all "bilingual" (French)goverment employees. Nice plan. <br />WAKE UP CANADA! <br />--------------- <br />To whom it may concern (all English speaking Canadians) <br /> <br />I'm sick and tired of hearing about the French and their perceived injustices over the past countless years. My son could not get a descent job because he could NOT speak that second, minority language...called french. The working businss language in the world IS ENGLISH, period! There would be ample funds available for health/education/military if it was not foolishly and frivously spent on forcing the majority of Canadians to "try" and speak the rapidly disappearing french language...a soon to be "dead" language. So stop this stupid and divisive policy of french language training and put the money where it belongs. <br />--------------- <br />We should insist Quebec separates before more of this nonsense spreads to the rest of the country. <br />Where is it written that French is superior? What about Italian or Chinese? These make up large groups cultural groups. <br />Language is about communication. <br />------------------ <br />Please Canada ... it is a minority of Quebecers that want to force bilingualism on everyone and the Federal Government caters to them. Charet finally got a "position" and he is trying to hold on to it ... remember this man tried everything to become the Prime Minister and when he couldn't he came to Quebec to save us from this continual fight that has been going on for years ... well we elected him and he turned his back on the english speaking people hoping to keep his job! what can I say ... we will burn in hell if the Liberals continue to rule the country ... don't try to make me believe that anyone, regardless of who they are, could be worse that the Liberals. Don't insult my intelligence and don't do it in either language! The federal government refuses to hire the most intelligent and the best person for the job and "we" continue to let them .... Remember that a right is only a right if we stand up and protect that right! <br />------------- <br />Politicians are an odd lot – Martin pumps billions into the French language in spite of English being the language of choice in the world of business. <br />JC (Charest) admits that English is expanding – and he might curtail this freedom of speech, in spite of any guarantee in the Charter. <br /> <br />Air Canada should tell Quebec and the feds to get stuffed. Winnipeg would welcome Air Canada as the operation centre – with only English. Winnipeg had a thriving aerospace industry until the feds stepped in and killed that industry in favour of moving the industry to the poorly managed and dollar insensitive Montrealers. <br /> <br />If Martin and Charest managed their own households in the manner in which they expect the country to operate, they would be bankrupt. Wake up guys. Your days as political leaders are numbers. You are no longer doing what the majority want from you. If we electors had the opportunity to vote against you, both of you would be history! "TYPE=PICT;ALT=" <br />-------------- <br />Here's my solution to stop forced bilingualism on the majority of Canadians who happen to be Anglophones. <br />1) Have another referendum! 2) Francophones can move out and form their own country (Quebec). 3) that would free up the majority of the public servant jobs that are now occupied by francophones and let us English speaking Canadians form the government that we deserve. 4) The unemployment rate among English speaking Canadians would be drastically reduced as we move into vacant government jobs. Sounds like a plan to me!! <br />----------------- <br />French language fanatics will cause the downfall <br />of this nation, While many Francophones are just happy <br />to many a living in this country an live beside a Anglophone family, the fanatics in this government will -keep stirring the pot till we have a civil war <br />There are some Francophones who will never be satisfied till until Enlish is wiped out of this country, But they dont mind taking our money anyway <br />they can get,An Whine to the rest of Canada we need more money or we will seperate--Good bye seperate and <br />------------- <br />Denise <br />Your statement of Quebec having more culture than the rest of Canada put together is true. But the only culture that Quebec has is YOGURT. If you want to call Yoplait a culture. After all Quebec has the biggest dairy industry in Canada. <br /> <br />As for Quebec being French that is questionable. If the majority of the Quebecois are the offspring of the Habitant,who were a people of mixed race (French and North American Indian) then we have to rule out the Quebecois being French at all. <br /> <br />As for Joual or Quebecois (pronounced Quebecway)it is only akin to the Creole spoken in Louisiana, Haiti or in Gualaloupe, and not French. When you people in Quebec say: "parle en Francais," you really mean speak in that God awful Joual. Unless you are from "La Beauce," in which case i'm off to Valee Honction, St-oseph-de-Beauce. There the cannot even pronounce the French "J" properly. And thus Joseph becomes Hoseph. <br /> <br />While you are about it Denise, learn French yourself. It will help. <br />------------------ <br />Let's help them separate! Then we can all get work in the very government we own. They can then make Quebec French and Canada will be English. How simple can you get? No more wasted time, money and politics. <br />----------------- <br />The Editor -- Where is the University of Ottawa coming up with the funding for their aggressive emphasis on French identity? More Canadian Tax dollars going to waste on a dying method of communication. <br /> <br />Just like Air Canada being forced/embarassed into hireing a French "Prima Dona" to yodal their praises, again at shareholders/tax payers, with funds the airline does not have.???? <br />----------------- <br />The solution is simple, we must have a nationwide referandum on bilingualism. <br />I for one am sick of sending money to Ottawa ,only to have it funnelled straight to Quebec, <br />Keep on voting Liberal and you get what you ask for, in any case what weak kneed people there must be in Ottawa a to be unable to fight for what is right, please stop moving to Alberta, we dont need you here, and we certainly dont need French <br />---------------- <br />Canada is a Country with two languages but is by no means a bilingual country. The horrific costs of forcing/enforcing the majority of Canadian Citizens to learn the minority's language is astonomical. <br /> <br />It would make better economic sense to have the minority learn to operate in the majority's language, rather than the other way around. Rather like having the tail wag the dog...simply absurd. <br /> <br />Demographics and Government Stat's bear the facts: Canada's majority is English at 84% and the minority is French at 16%. During the last elections Canadians make their priorities clear: Health Care, Defence/Military, Education and Environment. <br /> <br />True democracy is majority ruled. In Canada, we are a politicially correct democracy wherein the minority rules. It's time to correct that error. <br /> <br />Canadian Citizens need to stand up and fight the discriminatory language policies of Canada. <br /> <br />Canadian Citizens are demanding a referendum on Official Bilingualism! <br /> <br />My twoonies worth! <br />----------------- <br />Quebec is our CANCER!!! quebec must separate from Canada!!!!!! <br />--------------- <br />Canada is a mosaic of the world. It is very upsetting to me that 10% of our population can dictatate to the rest of Canada with the support of the Federal Gov't and using our tax dollars to do it. Proves the saying 'if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull....!' It is so obvious that France is backing these ridiculous actions to win Quebec over (and possibly all of Canada) to claim us as a satelite country of France. GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN AND CANADA <br />- <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:27 pm
 


Delenda, are you saving all these comments? All Quebeckers need to know about this, especially French media. Even Patapouf is starting to understand what Québec is faced with, this should drive it home even more.





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This cow is at it again, putting her venom on the editorial page of the Ottawa Citizen. Propagation of hatred, that is what it is. <br /> <br />"A closed mind is a terrible thing <br /> <br />Brigitte Pellerin <br /> <br />Looks like it’s becoming a habit. You saw the news story about the cancellation of U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci’s speech to a Université du Québec à Montréal think-tank recently for unspecified security reasons. Coming mere weeks after the off-then-maybe-on-again appearance of former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak at Concordia University (a.k.a. Gaza U) it’s a sad business. Unfortunately, it’s not a terribly surprising one. <br /> <br />A smallish item in the Citizen last Saturday started thus: "Suddenly, hot international speakers and politicians have become dangerous guests in one of the most open-minded cities in North America, Montreal." To which I can only say: Excuse me? Montreal is not the worst town in North America, far from it. But remarkably open-minded and tolerant? Give me a break. <br /> <br /><b>Well, OK. Let me qualify that. It’s true that Montrealers are very tolerant of things they approve of, especially what the old-fashioned in our midst call "loose living." Montrealers can shack up, have kids with four different fathers, go back and forth between the homo- and hetero-sexual sides of the fence with nary a raised eyebrow. And abortion is viewed as not much more than a somewhat drastic contraceptive method. </b> <br /> <br />This complete absence of what Montrealers would call preachy moralizing can seem liberating. Especially if you’re an unattached 20-something and wish to sample the, er, variety of options available to the worldly hedonist. But properly speaking, open-minded has to mean toward things you don’t do or agree with. <br /> <br />In that respect, nothing much has changed in Montreal despite the mythical 1960s Quiet Revolution. While the province used to be ruled by the Roman Catholic hierarchy in alliance with crafty public officials, it is now ruled by a loose coalition of left-leaning, pro-unionist, nationalist and anti-religious activists in alliance with same. The costumes have changed, but they are no more tolerant of opposing points of view. Try submitting an opinion article against, say, abortion or gay marriage to Le Devoir and see how far you get. <br /> <br />Or try expressing the view that President George W. Bush is a fine leader who ought to be welcomed politely when he visits Ottawa next week. Be prepared to duck. Jacques Brassard, a retired Parti Québécois minister who now writes for a regional paper, recently published a piece in La Presse praising Mr. Bush for his leadership in the war on terrorism and clearly rejecting the moral relativism I was denouncing in this space earlier this month. Let’s just say he hasn’t earned himself any friends among Quebec’s ruling elites (though he’s earned kudos from yours truly). <br /> <br />If you’re on the side of America or Israel, and unequivocally against terrorists, nobody in official Quebec will stand for your right to express your opinions without being heckled or, worse, threatened. <br /> <br />Ditto if you’re in favour of Premier Jean Charest’s policy reforms, however mushy and diluted they have become. When his Liberal party convened in Montreal this weekend, thousands of protesters took to the streets, including a small number of stick-toting thugs (some had rocks in their backpack) who made a point of scratching parked vehicles on Ste-Catherine St. There was even a picture in La Presse of a masked individual carrying a placard featuring Mr. Charest’s head with the words: "Charest, attend que je te coupe" (wait until I cut you – a "pun" on budget cuts) and showing a knife slicing the premier’s throat, complete with splattering blood. Underneath this ghastly image were the words "c’est sérieux." <br /> <br />Official reaction? Apart from the 200 or so protesters temporarily detained then ticketed for "illegal assembly" (and a handful charged with criminal offenses), nothing. Worse, media outlets made a point of stressing just how peaceful the protests were. I guess they consider advertising your desire to assassinate the premier cute and cuddly. I’m willing to believe the majority of protesters were indeed peaceful, if noisy and traffic-disturbing. But why didn’t we hear them complain their protest had been ruined? Why didn’t we see headlines such as "Lawless Thugs Mar Otherwise Peaceful Protest"? Because virtually nobody dares stand up for the right of a group of politicians who are not part of the modern-day episcopate to go about their business free of violent threats, that’s why. (The Gazette’s Don MacPherson is a notable exception, having denounced the fact that free speech is being held hostage in Quebec. That won’t make him popular in the salons of Outremont, I promise you.) <br /> <br />I feel bad for the speakers and politicians who are prevented from exercising their freedom of expression freely. But I feel much worse about Quebecers who put up with such an intolerant and close-minded elite. Open-mindedly, of course. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />This column first appeared in The Ottawa Citizen, Thursday November 25, 2004 (A-18) <br /> <br />© Copyright Brigitte Pellerin <br /> <br />


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Not sure if this one is hate stuff. An editorialist in the ROC is pointing out some correctness issues at the neighbour next door. I think in pointing this out she may very well have sidetracked the correctness experienced in Ottawa. And there is plenty more in a civil servant town! I think the pie just bounced in her face as far as I am concerned. There is "correctness" in Quebec too just like everywhere and "correctness" is not necessarily an issue anymore when one has the option to choose and pick amongst media, specially with the Internet.



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[QUOTE BY= gaulois] Not sure if this one is hate stuff. An editorialist in the ROC is pointing out some correctness issues at the neighbour next door. I think in pointing this out she may very well have sidetracked the correctness experienced in Ottawa. And there is plenty more in a civil servant town! I think the pie just bounced in her face as far as I am concerned. There is "correctness" in Quebec too just like everywhere and "correctness" is not necessarily an issue anymore when one has the option to choose and pick amongst media, specially with the Internet.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Tu n'as pas bien compris l'article, Gaulois. <br />She says that people expressing a different opinion are "threatened". Now, if that is not misleading propaganda, what is it? Nobody has been hanged in Quebec for having their own opinions! Besides, she paints out our society as a bunch of neanderthal paigan animals! How many Quebec women do you know that had children with 4 different fathers? Or use abortion as a contraception method? Do you know many people whose sex life goes back and forth between men and women, just as changing clothes? <br /> <br />Personally, I don`t know anybody like that and I know a lot of people. I don`t deny these lifestyles exist in Quebec as in everywhere else, but even if it were more pronounced in Quebec, it is not the preferred lifestyle of the majority of the population, far from it. Her comments constitute hatred, pure and simple.


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Allright I missed these. I tend to scan quickly over the articles and tend to ignore junky stuff. I think she is trying to sell paper and she is just soiling her own reputation in order to make a buck. Her market are these red necks that get their morning jolt out of some Quebec ranting; some of them are most likely working for the feds too in their highly dysfunctional town. I agre on that but read on. <br /> <br />Once again, I do not think it is fair to generalize that what this clown act says represent what Canadians generally think of Quebec. I am sure you can find lots of junk like this in the ROC press, in the US press, elsewhere in the world where hate sells well. This is not a problem with Quebec but a problem in our DNA! <br /> <br />But why bother with junk? Light a candle instead of cursing the darkness! If you are focussed on doing an ROC press review to demonstrate that there are many elements in the ROC that hate Quebec, you should do it on a stand-alone web site that people can link too if this matter is of interest to them. <br /> <br />So if you in fact agree that this is hate stuff ( I was not trying to bait you up!), why do you want to spread it? Would you like us to fire back more hate stuff so that you can cross-post back selected hateful replies on a Quebec web site focussed on selling separation? I can work with any committed sovereignist ready to make things work. This approach simply does not IMHO. <br /> <br />And I am prepared to signal this to our moderator unless you have a very good explaination for spreading more hate stuff. We have already lost Michou over this bickering and do not wish to lose more valuable contributors. Perhaps you should consider changing your name away from Delenda or "destroying"? If you need treatment, Vive is not a good place to get it. <br />



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[QUOTE BY= gaulois] Allright I missed these. I tend to scan quickly over the articles and tend to ignore junky stuff. I think she is trying to sell paper and she is just soiling her own reputation in order to make a buck. Her market are these red necks that get their morning jolt out of some Quebec ranting; some of them are most likely working for the feds too in their highly dysfunctional town. I agre on that but read on. <br /> <br />Once again, I do not think it is fair to generalize that what this clown act says represent what Canadians generally think of Quebec. I am sure you can find lots of junk like this in the ROC press, in the US press, elsewhere in the world where hate sells well. This is not a problem with Quebec but a problem in our DNA! <br /> <br />But why bother with junk? Light a candle instead of cursing the darkness! If you are focussed on doing an ROC press review to demonstrate that there are many elements in the ROC that hate Quebec, you should do it on a stand-alone web site that people can link too if this matter is of interest to them. <br /> <br />So if you in fact agree that this is hate stuff ( I was not trying to bait you up!), why do you want to spread it? Would you like us to fire back more hate stuff so that you can cross-post back selected hateful replies on a Quebec web site focussed on selling separation? I can work with any committed sovereignist ready to make things work. This approach simply does not IMHO. <br /> <br />And I am prepared to signal this to our moderator unless you have a very good explaination for spreading more hate stuff. We have already lost Michou over this bickering and do not wish to lose more valuable contributors. Perhaps you should consider changing your name away from Delenda or "destroying"? If you need treatment, Vive is not a good place to get it. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Veux-tu dire que je suis la bienvenue sur ce site qu'avec des conditions? Pourquoi tu me dis ça un mois après que j'ai ouvert mon seul fil? Je l'ai ouvert où il est censé aller, en dessous de politique provinciale. J'ai déjà dit au début que je suis ici pour m'exprimer. Je n'ai insulté personne, à ce que je sache. <br /> <br />Gaulois, tu coupes un cheveu en 4. Ne me lis pas, si tu n'aimes pas ce que tu vois. Je trouve, au contraire, que ma contribution sur ce site est valable. J'estime représenter une majorité des Québécois francophones et si les québécois doivent savoir ce que le ROC pense d'eux, le ROC doit aussi savoir ce que nous pensons de ses attaques. Ne tentez pas de réformer le Canada si vous êtes pas prêts à nous écouter! <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />


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[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Veux-tu dire que je suis la bienvenue sur ce site qu'avec des conditions? <br />[/QUOTE] <br />Ecrire ou propager de la haine (ou violence) est interdit quand tu t'inscris à Vive au tout début. Tous doivent se soumettre à ces conditions. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Pourquoi tu me dis ça un mois après que j'ai ouvert mon seul fil? <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Ma réponse à ton premier article: <br /> <br />Posts: 340 Friday, October 22 2004 @ 01:16 PM MDT <br />Pourquoi répondre à de la violence avec de la violence? Non ce n'est pas nécessaire. Mais tout le monde a droit à sa propre opinion. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />J'estime représenter une majorité des Québécois francophones et si les québécois doivent savoir ce que le ROC pense d'eux, le ROC doit aussi savoir ce que nous pensons de ses attaques. <br />[/QUOTE] <br />C'est à voir. Tu peux très bien le faire sur ton propre site web sans contrevenir aux critères de Vive. <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Ne tentez pas de réformer le Canada si vous êtes pas prêts à nous écouter! <br />[/QUOTE] <br />Nous sommes prêts à écouter tous et chacun en autant que les règles sont suivis: pas de haine (et pas de discrimination). <br /> <br />Je te confierai que Michou m'a beaucoup inspiré (ainsi que plusieurs autres sur Vive) au sujet de la souveraineté du Québec. Je crois maintenant que cela pourrait représenter une composante importante de la souveraineté canadienne. Mais si jamais le Québec se séparait pour la mauvaise raison (i.e. parce que "le ROC ne nous aime pas"), c'est voué IMHO à l'échec et aux guerres habituelles. Tes contributions me semblent attiser le mauvais feu et se faisant contreviennent aux progrès accomplis par Michou. Pourquoi ne pas participer sur une base plus positive selon les critères d'adhésion à Vive? <br /> <br />Nous avons perdu Michou pour des raisons exactement reliées à la chicane. Il ne faudrait pas en perdre d'autres pour les mêmes raisons. C'est la raison pour laquelle je ne peux tout simplement pas ignorer tes soumissions, spéciallement quand une personne du pseudonyme "Delenda", qui ne s'est jamais présenté convenablement (how did I started to care) contrevient à des règles bien raisonnables. <br />



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[QUOTE BY= Ed King]This could be a topic of itself, but I think the French refer to grammar. Though the French use a lot of 'anglicismes', they have much better grammar than French Canadians. For example, a French person will say 'j'habite Boul. René-Lévesque' whereas a French Canadian says 'j'habite SUR LE Boul. René-Lévesque', which is really a translation of the English 'I live ON THE René-Lévesque boulevard'.<BR><BR>The reason for their usage of English words is quite obvious: the French are much more confidant with their language than French Canadians; they are not afraid of the English influence and the possibility of assimilation. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> A french would say "je crèche boul. René-Lévesque.<br /> IMO It's not better.



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Of course the phrase structure of french in Quebec is similar with english. It's because we refused assimilation but sometimes we use expressions or phrase structures from english. For exemple, "la lumière" instead of "le feu de circulation". <br /> <br /> <br /> In France they often say "J'habite sur Paris" when they speak. In written french it would be "J'habite à Paris".<br /> In France they use a lot of english words, but they pronounce it in french. Challenge ( But I heard they didn't know if this word was from english or french origin ), parking, ticket, airbag, background... <br /> <br /> <br /> The academie française accepts new english words like email, internet, software, freeware, shareware... These words ( courriel, la toile, logiciel, gratuiciel, partagiciel... ) has been traduced in Québec but they are rarly used in France, they prefer in english.<br /> <br /> <br /> Je trouve un peu dommage que nos cousins français utilisent des mots anglais, pourtant la langue française est si riche. Peut-être que j'ai tort de croire que leur langue est en danger, après tout il y a beaucoup de mots de la langue française dans le vocabulaire anglais. La littérature française des siècles passés et la deuxième guerre mondiale en sont probablement les causes. Je trouve ironique de savoir que les soldats et les politiciens américains disent presque toujours des mots d'origine française. May Day ( m'aider ), coup d'état, tour de force, resist ( including resistance ), bureau... Regardez l'étymologie des mots du dico anglais, z'allez voir qu'il y a beaucoup plus de mots provenant de l'ancien français que vous croyez.<br /> <br /> <br /> Je ne vois donc pas la nécessité d'utiliser des termes de la langue de Shakespeare, sauf pour quelques exceptions.



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Just thought I'd recommend a visit to northern or eastern New Brunswick to all those 'francophiles' out there, since most acadians speak their own version of 'frenglish' called 'chiac', it is definitily a language all it's own. If it's true that the french aren't afraid of losing their culture then acadians definitely aren't!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:12 pm
 


I don't agree, I don't think chiac is a language. It's a sociolect like slang, joual and argot. In Acadia the language is still french, the dialect is acadian and the working class sociolect is chiac. The acadian newspapers are not in chiac, it's written in french. The acadians don't learn chiac at school, they learn french with the acadian (dialect) pronunciation.



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[QUOTE BY= dino] <br /> <br /> Now there is a federalist in power. The federal government should propose changing the constitution with the approval of the rest of Canada and then have the Liberals in Quebec to call a referendum. If 50.1% support entering the constitution then Quebec is a part of Canada forever and Gilles Duceppe's dreams of Quebec being a country are over. If the Liberals lose then they can always try again while there is still a federalist in office in Quebec.<br /> <br /> That is what the federal government should be focusing on.<br /> <br /> If this were to happen Gille Duceppe,Bouchard,Landry would get to see what it felt like for the rest of Canada when Canada was on the brink of breaking up. All seperatists in Quebec would be working really hard to prevent a majority from supporting entering the constitution.<br /> <br /> And I believe the majority of Quebecers would support to remain inside Canada. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Not a bad idea Dino ! Nevertheless, Charest doesn't seem ready to open up that constitutional thing. <br /> <br /> Unfortunately, I think we'll have to move on to serious threat of "braking the country" to get the ROC ready to do something... but again will Québécois be ready to negociate at that time !? Who knows...<br /> <br /> I still think Canada would be better without Québec and vice versa.


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We know what Canadians think of Quebec. Not by what they say, but by what they do. <br /> We don't care anymore. <br /> We will stay in Canada if we want and we will leave if we want and we don't give a s... of their opinion.<br /> Hey! if you mind you own business then you won't be minding mine. <br />


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