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Posts: 14939
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:50 pm
http://stopspying.ca/Quote: The government is trying to ram through an anti-Internet set of electronic surveillance laws that will invade your privacy and cost you money.
Independent ISPs -- which fight Big Telecom to provide us with affordable Internet prices -- have come out publicly to say the government’s online spying plan will destroy Canada’s already fragile Internet choice and competition. If we don’t stop this online spying scheme, you will have to pay more for Internet access.
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Posts: 14886
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:48 pm
A link to these new laws would be nice so I can verify for myself.
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GRUMPY1
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Posts: 72
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:02 pm
Sounds like something Harper Would invent.
remember we must fill all these New prisons
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:10 pm
GRUMPY1 wrote: Sounds like something Harper Would invent.
remember we must fill all these New prisons What new prisons?
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:18 pm
GRUMPY1 wrote: Sounds like something Harper Would invent.
remember we must fill all these New prisons Yeah that's it. A big situating of the estimate, eh?
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Posts: 14939
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:25 pm
http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/06/28/lawf ... -for-cops/Quote: When I caution people about the coming Lawful Access spying laws, there’s often some confusion. Many assume that spying on the Internet is like putting a wiretap on a phone. So the police will be able to listen to my Skype calls and read my emails?
Sure. But it’s much worse than that.
Lawful Access does make traditional web surveillance easier, but it will also give the police access to your “basic information” without them having to get a warrant. “Basic information” covers your real name, your online identities, your email addresses, your I.P. address, your home address and your home phone number. If the police have one of these ingredients, they can use it to get the rest.
If you’re still not concerned, wait a bit…
Under Lawful Access, ISPs will have to build surveillance technology that stores this info and makes it available to the police. Right now, if cops go to your ISP and ask for your info (this happens all the time anyhow, often without a warrant) some human at your ISP will have to dig through your digital footprints to find it. Under Lawful Access, a police web portal will be built to automate the process.
This is hugely problematic.
First of all, what happens if (when) this portal gets hacked? It won’t need to be a sophisticated hack, either. If thousands of cops are assigned logins, how much do you want to bet that one of them will use “abc123″ as a password?
But let’s assume this somehow never happens. Warrantless data-tracking is still very scary, for reasons the police themselves likely haven’t considered. As anyone who compulsively checks their email knows, once you automate information requests, remove every obstacle, remove human communication from the process and throw it all online with a big shiny “search” button, usage skyrockets.
When Sprint built a similar portal for cops to track cell phone users’ GPS coordinates, usage shot up to 8 million pings in just over a year. In their idle time, police can just fish around, see where folks are at, see which avatar belongs to which human, and play the portal like a video game, hoping to stumble upon a lawbreaker.
The next step, of course, is for the police to get automated as well. With unfettered access to a massive dataset of “basic information”, why manually run hunt and peck searches when you could just write an algorithm that’ll mash it all up and spit out the names of those statistically likely to be up to no good?
Does that sound like paranoid sci-fi? Maybe, but it’s all possible with existing technology, and is really just an extension of current trends in data analysis into law enforcement. If data is accessible, machine-readable and has predictive value, someone will build an app for that. Everyone else is using “bots”, so why shouldn’t the police?
When RoboCop comes, he will look like a line of code.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:49 pm
Well I won't. If they pay for the equipment, install it, and cover the cost of lost time learning how to use it, I will begrudgingly comply. Otherwise, they can settle for a zipped copy of the server logs if they pay cash or Visa at the going rate, and nothing more. Unless it's kiddie porn. Then the server logs are no charge. Terrorists? If they can spend a billion on security for the G20, they can slip me the $75.00
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GRUMPY1
Junior Member
Posts: 72
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:28 pm
RUEZ wrote: GRUMPY1 wrote: Sounds like something Harper Would invent.
remember we must fill all these New prisons What new prisons? give him time, sunshine.......he just had his training wheels took off. majority government and all.......
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:32 pm
GRUMPY1 wrote: RUEZ wrote: GRUMPY1 wrote: Sounds like something Harper Would invent.
remember we must fill all these New prisons What new prisons? give him time, sunshine.......he just had his training wheels took off. majority government and all....... 
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GRUMPY1
Junior Member
Posts: 72
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:39 pm
I see the big-time operators on this forum are very easily threatened. I'll be gentler on your ego next time 
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Posts: 1017
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:30 pm
*clears throat* e'hem Just stumbled upon this, and have yet to test it: Torhttps://www.torproject.org/What is Tor?Tor is free software and an open network that helps you defend against a form of network surveillance that threatens personal freedom and privacy, confidential business activities and relationships, and state security known as traffic analysis Tor protects you by bouncing your communications around a distributed network of relays run by volunteers all around the world: it prevents somebody watching your Internet connection from learning what sites you visit, and it prevents the sites you visit from learning your physical location. Tor works with many of your existing applications, including web browsers, instant messaging clients, remote login, and other applications based on the TCP protocol. ^ on the main page. They further go on and say the following: Quote: Individuals use Tor to keep websites from tracking them and their family members, or to connect to news sites, instant messaging services, or the like when these are blocked by their local Internet providers. Tor's hidden services let users publish web sites and other services without needing to reveal the location of the site. Individuals also use Tor for socially sensitive communication: chat rooms and web forums for rape and abuse survivors, or people with illnesses.
Journalists use Tor to communicate more safely with whistleblowers and dissidents. Non-governmental organizations (NGOs) use Tor to allow their workers to connect to their home website while they're in a foreign country, without notifying everybody nearby that they're working with that organization.
Groups such as Indymedia recommend Tor for safeguarding their members' online privacy and security. Activist groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) recommend Tor as a mechanism for maintaining civil liberties online. Corporations use Tor as a safe way to conduct competitive analysis, and to protect sensitive procurement patterns from eavesdroppers. They also use it to replace traditional VPNs, which reveal the exact amount and timing of communication. Which locations have employees working late? Which locations have employees consulting job-hunting websites? Which research divisions are communicating with the company's patent lawyers?
A branch of the U.S. Navy uses Tor for open source intelligence gathering, and one of its teams used Tor while deployed in the Middle East recently. Law enforcement uses Tor for visiting or surveilling web sites without leaving government IP addresses in their web logs, and for security during sting operations.
The variety of people who use Tor is actually part of what makes it so secure. Tor hides you among the other users on the network, so the more populous and diverse the user base for Tor is, the more your anonymity will be protected. I may have to give it a try.
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Posts: 8543
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:18 am
Praxius wrote: *clears throat* e'hem Just stumbled upon this, and have yet to test it: Torhttps://www.torproject.org/What is Tor?Tor is free software and an open network that helps you defend against a form of network surveillance that threatens personal freedom and privacy, confidential business activities and relationships, and state security known as traffic analysis Tor protects you by bouncing your communications around a distributed network of relays run by volunteers all around the world: it prevents somebody watching your Internet connection from learning what sites you visit, and it prevents the sites you visit from learning your physical location. Tor works with many of your existing applications, including web browsers, instant messaging clients, remote login, and other applications based on the TCP protocol. ^ on the main page. They further go on and say the following: Quote: Individuals use Tor to keep websites from tracking them and their family members, or to connect to news sites, instant messaging services, or the like when these are blocked by their local Internet providers. Tor's hidden services let users publish web sites and other services without needing to reveal the location of the site. Individuals also use Tor for socially sensitive communication: chat rooms and web forums for rape and abuse survivors, or people with illnesses.
Journalists use Tor to communicate more safely with whistleblowers and dissidents. Non-governmental organizations (NGOs) use Tor to allow their workers to connect to their home website while they're in a foreign country, without notifying everybody nearby that they're working with that organization.
Groups such as Indymedia recommend Tor for safeguarding their members' online privacy and security. Activist groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) recommend Tor as a mechanism for maintaining civil liberties online. Corporations use Tor as a safe way to conduct competitive analysis, and to protect sensitive procurement patterns from eavesdroppers. They also use it to replace traditional VPNs, which reveal the exact amount and timing of communication. Which locations have employees working late? Which locations have employees consulting job-hunting websites? Which research divisions are communicating with the company's patent lawyers?
A branch of the U.S. Navy uses Tor for open source intelligence gathering, and one of its teams used Tor while deployed in the Middle East recently. Law enforcement uses Tor for visiting or surveilling web sites without leaving government IP addresses in their web logs, and for security during sting operations.
The variety of people who use Tor is actually part of what makes it so secure. Tor hides you among the other users on the network, so the more populous and diverse the user base for Tor is, the more your anonymity will be protected. I may have to give it a try. Probably ran by some Intelligence agency and by using it you(person using it)have given consent to said agency to monitor whatever you do. 
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Posts: 9283
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:12 am
Quote: First of all, what happens if (when) this portal gets hacked? It won’t need to be a sophisticated hack, either. If thousands of cops are assigned logins, how much do you want to bet that one of them will use “abc123″ as a password? Very simple solution. When I worked for RevCan I was obviously in contact with some VERY personal information. Every employee password to access those files was randomly generated. YOU had no say whatsoever what your password was. Not that I'm all that comfortable with the idea of the police and gov't doing this. I consider it no different than a warrantless wiretap and the first hot dog constitutional or defense lawyer that cottons to that idea is going to find themselves very busy I think.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:56 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:49 am
sandorski wrote: Probably ran by some Intelligence agency and by using it you(person using it)have given consent to said agency to monitor whatever you do.  I agree. There's been speculation that PGP encryption was sponsored by the NSA due to the fact that it spread so rapidly...as if it was being marketed. When I have absolutely secure communications they're accomplished with a one-time pad using a book as the cipher. It's unbreakable. It's time consuming but worth it for certain things. How to: You have a list of books with your friends. Say, Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan books. Each time you exchange a letter you move on to the next book in the series. Now, you write a short message and *do not* use the word 'the' as that's a foundational word that code breakers frequently use to break codes. So what you do is after you write your message you search the pages of the book for each word and then write it down as: 347-16-5 Which means page 347, 16th line down, 5th word from the left. 
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