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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:29 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I didn't write 'cured', I wrote 'treated'.

A 'treatment' might be castration. :idea:


Or execution.

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Consensus now exists that pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation


I've long warned that if pedophilia is determined to be an incurable orientation in line with the premise that homosexuality is an incurable orientation then the ramifications towards pedophiles might not be so accepting even as they have been towards homosexuals.

If the people pushing this narrative are looking to get people to accept and tolerate pedo as an orientation I'm afraid they don't understand parents and our society in general.

Because once they make the case that pedos can't be cured then the reaction of society will be to sentence them to lifetime incarceration and individual parents may be spurred to dispensing frontier justice to these people with the argument that since they can't be cured then killing them is the only way to make sure they're no longer a danger to children.

It may sound weird coming from me but I'm concerned for those pedos who may wish to control their urges or who sincerely wish to change. I would not want to see them get killed or locked up forever simply for seeking help.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:34 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I didn't write 'cured', I wrote 'treated'.

A 'treatment' might be castration. :idea:


Unfortunately your definition of "treatment" and the ones being pushed by the left differ drastically.

But, TBH I prefer yours. [B-o]


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:47 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I've long warned that if pedophilia is determined to be an incurable orientation in line with the premise that homosexuality is an incurable orientation then the ramifications towards pedophiles might not be so accepting even as they have been towards homosexuals.


People can accept what two well dressed affluent people do in private. People will never accept harm done to children.

Nor should they ever.

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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I didn't write 'cured', I wrote 'treated'.

A 'treatment' might be castration. :idea:


Unfortunately your definition of "treatment" and the ones being pushed by the left differ drastically.

But, TBH I prefer yours. [B-o]


I was being kind. ;)

What I was thinking was actually 'Medieval'. :twisted:


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herbie herbie:
I know your line of reasoning, Bart. There's 100,000,000 Democrats so this handful of articles proves it's 'common'. As a couple articles about forced marriages in Pakistan makes it so for several million South Asians here in another thread.
Using 'liberal Democrat' media shows where you get that attitude from.
Overused the terms, the cliches and jingo so much they're meaningless.
Repeat: everything an ultra-conservative dislikes is 'left'. Regardless of any such political content, rendering use of the term by one meaningless.


I cite and specify articles on the topic coming from the known liberal and Democrat media (like the Washington Post) because that helps to establish the perception as being bipartisan and not as a matter of partisan discussion.

While I don't know that 'most' pedophiles are conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, or whatever the simple and easily observable fact remains that the loudest voices for decriminalization and normalizing (as a clinical diagnosis) pedophilia are indeed coming from the liberal/Democrat end of the spectrum.


Well if you don't know then why jump in to support the statement that they are?
And then you say your claiming that 'this media is liberal Democrat' that it shows your bipartisanship.
Jeez no wonder you support Trump, it's the same shit he does.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:26 pm
 


karra karra:
It just never stops and it's far worse than this - also upsetting and disturbing is the recent public movement by Democrats and other assorted critters on the left to have pedophilia normalised and legalised - there really is only one solution...


I don't see that at all. Quite the opposite--in the 50s, sex with children was widely accepted. Marrying off 13 year olds was quite common and sexual abuse of children was much more widespread than it is now. Homosexuality was generally reviled the way pedophilia is now. They've kind of swapped places. Over time pedophilia has become less accepted by western civilization, not more.


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People can accept what two well dressed affluent people do in private. People will never accept harm done to children.


Not true at all. Early civilizations regularly sacrificed children for example. Morals circa 2017 in Canada are not the morals of all people for all time.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
karra karra:
So, having said all of that, I'll sit back and wait for you to point out the 'lies' - you can do dat, yeah?


Not a lie, but like most of the right wing you latched on to the wrong definition of 'normalize'.

It's used in the medical sense of making a baseline for what a 'pedophile' is, so that treatment can be tailored to how far from that baseline the person is, not for making the practice 'common' to society. Your logic is broken because of that.


Really? You're going with that - parsing 'normalize'? Who said anything about 'normalize', other than you - does that mean you're going to use 'ab' and 'sub' 'normalize' next? That, should be fun.

But, bottom line is, as you state - not a lie but a right-wing interpretation, so you say, which has nothing to do with what I stated.

Do you ever listen to yourself ? No '/s' here at all - even at the bottom of the page...


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herbie herbie:
Someone doesn't even know what civil is, do they?

Pointing out an outright lie regarding something that's not even happening and trying to associate that with Democrats or "the left" is bullshit.
And will get called out by me every time unless someone calls it out first.
As will calling any damn behaviour or action you personally disagree with "left".


So, you're the new 'trauma-boi' are you - pointing out imaginary lies as only you, wearing blinders can do and simultaneously engaging in conniptions, profanities, weeping and wailing, perhaps a dollop of gnashing? - guess you're to be congratulated in spite of the fact you typically come up short when taken to task - empty, nothing, nada, pustoy, vide, vuoto, tomma - I could go on but I think and hope you get the point - if not, let me know.

My suggestion to you is that you stop avoiding what you say; that nasty karra told a lie and you caught her and told her off using bad language all the while wearing your Trauma-boi guise - and tell us all about the 'lie' - after all, there must be one, 'cause you say so.

And then you're going to race to be first to call someone out - guess you're to be congratulated, encore. I'm searching Amazon as I type looking for a mask and cape - just pour toi.

And then you, disguised or not as a 'Trauma-boi' are going to police anything I say that you figure with all your might is contrary to what you think you know - damn!! You're a tough act, Trauma-boi - don't know what I can do to help you wit dat - any suggestions?

Still haven't seen a word from you as to what the lie is - waiting, waiting. . . . :D

I see Bart provided a list - I believe he stated it was not all-encompassing - here's a few of your idol...Image

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:16 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
karra karra:
It just never stops and it's far worse than this - also upsetting and disturbing is the recent public movement by Democrats and other assorted critters on the left to have pedophilia normalised and legalised - there really is only one solution...


I don't see that at all. Quite the opposite--in the 50s, sex with children was widely accepted. Marrying off 13 year olds was quite common and sexual abuse of children was much more widespread than it is now. Homosexuality was generally reviled the way pedophilia is now. They've kind of swapped places. Over time pedophilia has become less accepted by western civilization, not more.


You're kidding, right - because you say 'in the '50s' pedophilia was widely accepted - perhaps in the corner of whatever world you inhabit(ed).

Proof - or you're full of crap.


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herbie herbie:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
herbie herbie:
I know your line of reasoning, Bart. There's 100,000,000 Democrats so this handful of articles proves it's 'common'. As a couple articles about forced marriages in Pakistan makes it so for several million South Asians here in another thread.
Using 'liberal Democrat' media shows where you get that attitude from.
Overused the terms, the cliches and jingo so much they're meaningless.
Repeat: everything an ultra-conservative dislikes is 'left'. Regardless of any such political content, rendering use of the term by one meaningless.


I cite and specify articles on the topic coming from the known liberal and Democrat media (like the Washington Post) because that helps to establish the perception as being bipartisan and not as a matter of partisan discussion.

While I don't know that 'most' pedophiles are conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, or whatever the simple and easily observable fact remains that the loudest voices for decriminalization and normalizing (as a clinical diagnosis) pedophilia are indeed coming from the liberal/Democrat end of the spectrum.


Well if you don't know then why jump in to support the statement that they are?
And then you say your claiming that 'this media is liberal Democrat' that it shows your bipartisanship.
Jeez no wonder you support Trump, it's the same shit he does.


Nothing I said is at odds with what Karra said.

karra karra:
It just never stops and it's far worse than this - also upsetting and disturbing is the recent public movement by Democrats and other assorted critters on the left to have pedophilia normalised and legalised - there really is only one solution...


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
karra karra:
It just never stops and it's far worse than this - also upsetting and disturbing is the recent public movement by Democrats and other assorted critters on the left to have pedophilia normalised and legalised - there really is only one solution...


I don't see that at all. Quite the opposite--in the 50s, sex with children was widely accepted. Marrying off 13 year olds was quite common and sexual abuse of children was much more widespread than it is now. Homosexuality was generally reviled the way pedophilia is now. They've kind of swapped places. Over time pedophilia has become less accepted by western civilization, not more.


To be exact, pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children as is underlined by the NAMBLA mantra of "sex before eight or else it's too late".

An attraction to pubescent but sexually immature children/adolescents is called pederasty.

Pedophiles can be attracted to INFANTS and TODDLERS and that's what we're really getting at when we talk about 'normalizing' this kind of thing.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:26 pm
 


karra karra:
You're kidding, right - because you say 'in the '50s' pedophilia was widely accepted - perhaps in the corner of whatever world you inhabit(ed).

Proof - or you're full of crap.


Sex with children was widely accepted--not pedophilia. Pedophilia has a specific definition, which is a sexual attraction to children who haven't yet developed their secondary sexual characteristics. Sex with children who have reached puberty wouldn't be considered pedophilia. It was very common to marry children (under 18)--Loretta Lynn, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley.

Institutional sexual abuse was more common as well, in the public schools of England, residential schools of Canada and the Catholic Church among others. Children are better protected now, in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:36 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
To be exact, pedophilia is the attraction to prepubescent children as is underlined by the NAMBLA mantra of "sex before eight or else it's too late".

An attraction to pubescent but sexually immature children/adolescents is called pederasty.

Pedophiles can be attracted to INFANTS and TODDLERS and that's what we're really getting at when we talk about 'normalizing' this kind of thing.


What evidence do you have that this is being normalized? I don't see it. Consent is a way bigger issue now than it has been in the past, primarily due to the work of feminists in my opinion. Milo Yiannopolis casually mentioned that sex between 13 year old boys and adults could be consensual and it destroyed him. I'm not seeing any normalization.

I'm seeing normalization of gender fluidity and polyamourous relationships, but I think, as a society, we've become less tolerant of child sexual abuse over time.


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People can accept what two well dressed affluent people do in private. People will never accept harm done to children.


Not true at all. Early civilizations regularly sacrificed children for example. Morals circa 2017 in Canada are not the morals of all people for all time.


And yet, there's an entire generation that's dedicated themselves to proving the opposite.


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
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People can accept what two well dressed affluent people do in private. People will never accept harm done to children.


Not true at all. Early civilizations regularly sacrificed children for example. Morals circa 2017 in Canada are not the morals of all people for all time.


And yet, there's an entire generation that's dedicated themselves to proving the opposite.

Who's that? The boomers? They're the ones in charge of all the decisions :idea:


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