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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:09 am
 


Title: A chequebook alone won't solve First Nations problems
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Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2016-01-27 06:43:27
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Good for him for at least writing this:
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"I would like to begin by acknowledging we are meeting today on the traditional lands of the Algonquin people."

That's something you hear a lot nowadays at public events, particularly at government or university functions; generally, the sentiment is that everyone is standing on the unceded land of such-and-such a people.

But there is something irritating about the moral smugness of it all.

Just once, I'd like to hear someone stand up and ask: "OK, great. So what are you proposing? Handing this land back? Or is this just to make us feel a little less guilty?


But, he ignores that the FNs insist on remaining on their isolated reserves and want all services provided in a big city. That's just not going to fly.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:22 am
 


When it's all said and done the chequebook solution will the the only thing that happens. Again. :|


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:48 am
 


Thanos Thanos:
When it's all said and done the chequebook solution will the the only thing that happens. Again. :|



Damn right, whitey gonna pay for everything.

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Since then, South Africa has changed tremendously. But when it comes to the treatment of indigenous people, Canada really hasn't.


Neil isn't seriously trying to imply that things have gotten better in SA since
the 'change' ?

I mena, Canadians aren't THAT stupid, are they ?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:49 am
 


andyt andyt:
But, he ignores that the FNs insist on remaining on their isolated reserves and want all services provided in a big city. That's just not going to fly.


Thanos Thanos:
When it's all said and done the chequebook solution will the the only thing that happens. Again. :|


That's the rub though, if FNs want to live on reserves, then the only way to provide the same levels of federal service on Reserves as in Cities is to increase the staff, presence and therefore the budget.

The rest of us have this problem all the time. Not every clinic in the middle of a swamp has an MRI or a on duty Psychiatry specialist in the ER. For those, we have to go to a major city. So we accept that we have to travel for some services that we use rarely.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:07 am
 


And the Bannock Republics will continue, backed by government apathy and white 'guilt'.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:13 am
 


Yep. One FN on TV was complaining she had to move to Winnipeg to get services for her special needs son, that they weren't available on her remote reserve. Well, they obviously aren't available for every little white man's podunk town or village either.

But on a talk show, when a caller suggested that we need to give FN kids better education so they can move to he city and get good jobs, the FN guest was quite aggrieved, saying that FN identity was based on the land.

I think we owe FN's quite a debt for the way we treated them over the years. But it's not one that's just paid back by shoveling money at them, because it will never be enough and just keep them dependent and asking for more. We do need to spend money - to get FN's to the same position as every other Canadian. Have a decent education, be willing to move to where the jobs are, or stay home and quit complaining.

As the op says:
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Immigrants are expected to acculturate, if not assimilate. Indigenous people are special; they have the absolute right to remain separate.

But there is a price in that: they are easily forgotten. Their isolation, and depression, and hopelessness, and atrocious rate of substance abuse and suicide, are simply pushed out of mind.
He leaves out that the price is more than being pushed out of our mind, but will have to be perpetually paid because of choices the FNs make. Except of course they've been sold the "dream castle" of being able to live on their traditional lands, charge the white man rent and have all the mod cons of an urban life. Except with unlimited fishing and hunting.

We need leaders who are between Harper's total neglect of the situation, and what I think will be Trudeau's total abeyance. (Except that he's going to run into a fiscal wall pretty quick.)


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It was a terrible start when JT got rid of the fiscal oversight of reserve accounts that Demon Harper put in. That would have been a clear sign to grifters like Thief Spence that the bonanza of money flooding in with zero accountability from the chiefs and band councils was back in effect.

The fun part comes with the inquiry into the murdered women. I can only imagine the contortions the Liberals are going to go through to ensure that everyone except the Native males, who are responsible for the vast, vast majority of these murders because too many of them have fetal alcohol syndrome and they lose complete control of themselves when they get drunk and stoned, are held responsible for them. The inquiry will be designed to produce only one result, a fiction that there's a gang of white male serial killers stalking the entire country that pounce on Native women any chance that they can get. They don't want a conclusive answer or solution (as in "Native men, quick being dicks to your women"), they just want the appearance that they've done something and to develop another unaccountable channel for more cash to flow to the chiefs and councils.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:33 am
 


Getting an education and getting a job are two major stumbling blocks. Even when educational opportunities are available, they refuse to take advantage of them. The absenteeism rates are abysmal and when you look at graduation rates they are pathetic. Here in Saskatchewan they are somewhere around 30% for native students and mid 80% for everyone else.

As for employment....ask any who have had to work with FN. Indian time....some money comes in and they bugger off. This isn't the case for all, but far too many. Those who do succeed usually end up staying away from their home communities, as they are often seen as apples by their kith and kin and an ATM.

Effective change is going to have to come from within. Motivation can't be taught.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:32 am
 


Liberals use to the checkbook to buy off First Nations.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:42 pm
 


I like this part the best:

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The Mohawk "Warriors" who acted as the muscle behind the uprising, were widely demonized, especially in Quebec media, as something close to terrorists. Most were charged criminally once it was all over.

But they won. Put simply, had it not been for those warriors and their willingness to pick up guns, there would be eighteen holes in that golf course today.

I was there for the entire 77 days, and I couldn't help thinking that if I were a young Mohawk, marginalized and excluded and ignored by the larger society around me, I'd have been on that barricade with a rifle, too. (Just as I'd have probably reached for the bag of gasoline if I'd been one of those kids in Labrador.)

In the end, though, Oka was only a narrow victory; a patch of land was held, nothing more.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:48 pm
 


For some reason Neil skipped over the part where they were mostly like the Mafia, running a lucrative cigarette and gun smuggling ring and that they liked to do things like burn down the houses in the middle of the night of anyone on the reserve that opposed them.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:59 pm
 


$1:
Neil isn't seriously trying to imply that things have gotten better in SA since
the 'change' ?

I mena, Canadians aren't THAT stupid, are they ?


Regardless of crime rate, hat kind of person would think any apartheid state is better than one with rights and freedoms? Oh, I know what kind.

That's like saying prosperous and orderly Nazi Germany was a better place than crime-ridden and poverty-stricken post-war Germany. Not if you're a Jew.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:04 pm
 


I'm confused. Did Canadian liberals like it or hate it when a famewhore like Desmond Tutu went to a couple of Native reserves with the lapdog media in tow and say that the conditions there made the townships in South Africa look decent in comparison? :? :lol:


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a famewhore like Desmond Tutu


What an empty childish insult. [Insert any public figure's name here] is a famewhore, by virute of the fact that you've hear of them. [Insert any person who speaks publicly on any issue] is just out for attention. I guess Martin Luther King and George washington were also famewhores. If Tutu wasn't a famewhore, he would have kept his opinions on apartheid to himself. Do I have that correct?

Have you been attending the Rush Limbaugh school of personal attacks in your leisure time?


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