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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:10 am
 


I saw that ten seconds of footage during the 15 minutes of blockade news on the half hour news segment!
We're all so thrilled to even be noticed![/s]
We all know it took so long for reporters to get there because they booked flights at YVR and ended up in Texas. Others really get lost trying to find Smithers & Mr. Burns Lake too.


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Good post FOG. The article illustrates a point that not everyone realizes as they paint all First Nations people with the same paintbrush and assume they all must be opposed to anything and everything. There are those that see the benefits these projects bring to small communities and see the potential gains they could make to benefit themselves.

IMO the so-called supporters who are manning the protest lines across the country likely have no real idea as to what the issue is all about.


In fact...these Ontario "wack-a-mole" rail stoppage protests are being performed by white professional agitator protesters in the name of natives. They kind of seem to be trying to pass themselves off as part of the tribe - claiming partial ownership of the identity through the cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZINS3 ... e=emb_logo

Isn't that cultural appropriation? They're all far-left, progressive-socialist types. I thought they were against that.


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I just can't bring myself to care.

At which point in history do we start enforcing land ownership rights? When the British took the territory from the French? When the French took it from Hudson's Bay? When one Indian tribe took it from another? Or when the first Indians took it from the beavers?

Ancient history belongs in the past.

It’s not ancient history if it’s still ongoing


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Your conclusion is flawed in that most of the Bands today have chosen otherwise.
Loggers, mines, road builders, developers, etc. deal with the Councils. They deal with land use issues.
The ridiculous part is this nationwide show of 'solidarity' which is not held by the local people. Who anyone can go talk to at the A&W, the mall, or at shift change at the super-mill.


But as I just said the Supreme Court has said that the Band Councils, which were created by the colonial Canadian government, are not the sole authority and governments have to deal with the other leaders too not just the Band Councils. Also it says the *governments* have to do the consulting, delegating the negotiations to whatever private company of the day is involved is not sufficient. That’s the Supreme Court talking


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BeaverFever wrote:
Prof_Chomsky wrote:
I just can't bring myself to care.

At which point in history do we start enforcing land ownership rights? When the British took the territory from the French? When the French took it from Hudson's Bay? When one Indian tribe took it from another? Or when the first Indians took it from the beavers?

Ancient history belongs in the past.

It’s not ancient history if it’s still ongoing



The only reason it's still ongoing though is we never made it die. It is ancient history. It occurred hundred(s) of years ago (depending on the treaty), to long dead people at the hands of long dead people. I can go back a few hundred years to when my Irish and Welsh family lost their land to lords, or even less far to my eastern European family that went bankrupt after a world war they had nothing to do with, thus losing all their property.

I honestly just can't bring myself to care. Natives now have far more advantages than the average Canadian. If they can't bring themselves to use these opportunities to prosper that's a cultural issue.

Bottom line is these Natives didn't have anything taken from them. Their parent's didn't either. An I, you, my parents, grandparents or great grandparents didn't take it from them. But I know for a fact the Native's ancestors stole it from some other Native tribe at one point or another.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:52 pm
 


Prof_Chomsky wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Prof_Chomsky wrote:
I just can't bring myself to care.

At which point in history do we start enforcing land ownership rights? When the British took the territory from the French? When the French took it from Hudson's Bay? When one Indian tribe took it from another? Or when the first Indians took it from the beavers?

Ancient history belongs in the past.

It’s not ancient history if it’s still ongoing



The only reason it's still ongoing though is we never made it die. It is ancient history. It occurred hundred(s) of years ago (depending on the treaty), to long dead people at the hands of long dead people. I can go back a few hundred years to when my Irish and Welsh family lost their land to lords, or even less far to my eastern European family that went bankrupt after a world war they had nothing to do with, thus losing all their property.

I honestly just can't bring myself to care. Natives now have far more advantages than the average Canadian. If they can't bring themselves to use these opportunities to prosper that's a cultural issue.

Bottom line is these Natives didn't have anything taken from them. Their parent's didn't either. An I, you, my parents, grandparents or great grandparents didn't take it from them. But I know for a fact the Native's ancestors stole it from some other Native tribe at one point or another.


Very well enumerated.


R=UP +5

This visiting the "sins of the father" onto every successive white generation in Canada is nothing more than utter racist pap and is only happening because of an obsession by certain individuals in this country to assuage their own, self induced, limousine liberal guilt.


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Prof_Chomsky wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Prof_Chomsky wrote:
I just can't bring myself to care.

At which point in history do we start enforcing land ownership rights? When the British took the territory from the French? When the French took it from Hudson's Bay? When one Indian tribe took it from another? Or when the first Indians took it from the beavers?

Ancient history belongs in the past.

It’s not ancient history if it’s still ongoing



The only reason it's still ongoing though is we never made it die. It is ancient history. It occurred hundred(s) of years ago (depending on the treaty), to long dead people at the hands of long dead people. I can go back a few hundred years to when my Irish and Welsh family lost their land to lords, or even less far to my eastern European family that went bankrupt after a world war they had nothing to do with, thus losing all their property.

I honestly just can't bring myself to care. Natives now have far more advantages than the average Canadian. If they can't bring themselves to use these opportunities to prosper that's a cultural issue.

Bottom line is these Natives didn't have anything taken from them. Their parent's didn't either. An I, you, my parents, grandparents or great grandparents didn't take it from them. But I know for a fact the Native's ancestors stole it from some other Native tribe at one point or another.


What are you talking about? The pipeline didn’t happen hundreds of years ago. The treaties in BC that might have made this die are what never happened

And iI don’t know why you’re referring to “hundreds of years ago”. The last residential school didn’t close until the 1990s. FN people weren’t even legally allowed to vote until the 1960s. Plenty of survivors are still alive from those days and not even in their final years.
To say they have far more advantages is beyond absurd. They don’t even have a provincial government, which is what provides most of the essential services to “the average Canadian” They are mostly in small scattered remote villages without any essential supports.

Noam Chomsky would probably demand you stop using his name if he saw your illiberal comments.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:24 am
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Strutz wrote:
IMO the so-called supporters who are manning the protest lines across the country likely have no real idea as to what the issue is all about.


And they are making it very difficult to respect native rights to those Canadians stranded because their LRT train is blocked by some assholes saying that "Reconciliation is dead", while the people they claim to be supporting are telling them to stand down.
Ironically, it's the dolts doing the protesting that are killing any chance of real reconciliation. This whole issue has pit Native group against Native group. What's going on here is left-wing extremists are playing at eco-colonization.

Norway is a country that makes me laugh in that regard. This is a country that is mandating that all vehicles in the country must be electric by such and such a year. They're also paying I don't how many millions a year to some African country to NOT cut down their trees or allow others to. And yet in just the first two months of this year, Norway issued 69 oil licences.

Norway's message? "We're free to exploit the natural resources we have access to but you uppity non-White folks aren't allowed to."

Meanwhile, Canada generates 3% of the world's total annual power generation and we do it 81% emissions-free. At the same time we contribute 1.6% of the world's annual GHG emissions. Which I might add is less than HALF that of international maritime shipping. And that was when Alberta was at the height of its oil production. Seems to me Canada has been generating an annual "climate credit" if you will. Instead though, we're being flagellated like some sort of climate pariah.


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