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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:06 pm
 


Title: Alberta livestock producers get $300M bailout from province over two years
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Posted By: bootlegga
Date: 2008-06-05 14:36:45
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Nothing but a glorified welfare cheque at taxpayers expense for the farmers.

Same crap as the corporate welfare - the enormous and myriad subsidies, bailouts, giveaways, tax loopholes, debt revocations, loan guarantees and the list goes on.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:01 pm
 


tritium wrote:
Nothing but a glorified welfare cheque at taxpayers expense for the farmers.

Same crap as the corporate welfare - the enormous and myriad subsidies, bailouts, giveaways, tax loopholes, debt revocations, loan guarantees and the list goes on.


Daily Cattle Prices June 5th.

Information provided on this report is supplied by various auction markets throughout Alberta. In reference to the following prices, producers are reminded to check with individual markets on current prices and trends. Prices quoted include top quality cattle only.

Feeder and stocker prices in Southern Alberta on Wednesday: June 5th./08

Steers / Hiefers

800-900 lbs* 88.00-94.00 / 83.00-88.00
700-800 * 90.00-95.00 / 87.00-92.50
600-700 * 94.00-106.00 / 90.00-99.50
500-600 * 108.00-116.50 / 102.00-101.00

Wow are they ever making money these farmers selling live animals for $1.08 a lb. I found a 3 rib Prime Rib Roast tonight. With the Meat trimed flush with the out side bones, it was maybe a 4 lbs at the most, the store was selling it for $48 or $12 a lb.

Believe Ed on this one farmers need a hand.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:08 am
 


If farmers need a hand then maybe my business needs a hand as well?

Then why not bail out GM at the same time, then lets bail out west coast left handed bagpipers with one legged dogs.

Then lets..

I support no bail outs for anyone. If your product isn't selling, tough beans. No one gives me money if my private business falls on hard times.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:51 am
 


uwish wrote:
If farmers need a hand then maybe my business needs a hand as well?

Then why not bail out GM at the same time, then lets bail out west coast left handed bagpipers with one legged dogs.

Then lets..

I support no bail outs for anyone. If your product isn't selling, tough beans. No one gives me money if my private business falls on hard times.


But if your business fails, will people starve?


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Jovan wrote:
uwish wrote:
If farmers need a hand then maybe my business needs a hand as well?

Then why not bail out GM at the same time, then lets bail out west coast left handed bagpipers with one legged dogs.

Then lets..

I support no bail outs for anyone. If your product isn't selling, tough beans. No one gives me money if my private business falls on hard times.


But if your business fails, will people starve?


People won't starve simply because beef is too expensive. Ever hear of canned tuna? There are other 'meat' options than beef or pork (most are healthier too).

I've never understood the conservative penchant to give money hand over fist to companies and businesses but refuse to help poor people. They gave out boatloads when the BSE problem first started and most of the producers simply pocketed the money and hardly dropped prices at all.

I guess they don't really believe in the free market...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:25 am
 


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People won't starve simply because beef is too expensive. Ever hear of canned tuna?



I guess we should just let the farmers go under, board up the 100's of farming communities in Alberta, move to the City and eat Tuna Casserole. Oh wait there won‘t be any farmers left to grow the wheat for the noodles, So I guess it’ll just be Tuna, Tuna, Tuna from then on.

Hopefully the fishermen will take their boats out of dry dock so we can at least do that.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:31 am
 


Alta_redneck wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
People won't starve simply because beef is too expensive. Ever hear of canned tuna?



I guess we should just let the farmers go under, board up the 100's of farming communities in Alberta, move to the City and eat Tuna Casserole. Oh wait there won‘t be any farmers left to grow the wheat for the noodles, So I guess it’ll just be Tuna, Tuna, Tuna from then on.

Hopefully the fishermen will take their boats out of dry dock so we can at least do that.


Irt's called the free market. Look into it.


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Alta_redneck wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
People won't starve simply because beef is too expensive. Ever hear of canned tuna?



I guess we should just let the farmers go under, board up the 100's of farming communities in Alberta, move to the City and eat Tuna Casserole. Oh wait there won‘t be any farmers left to grow the wheat for the noodles, So I guess it’ll just be Tuna, Tuna, Tuna from then on.

Hopefully the fishermen will take their boats out of dry dock so we can at least do that.
Makes sense when it hits closer to home, eh?

What a socialist.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:48 am
 


Blue_Nose wrote:
Alta_redneck wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
People won't starve simply because beef is too expensive. Ever hear of canned tuna?



I guess we should just let the farmers go under, board up the 100's of farming communities in Alberta, move to the City and eat Tuna Casserole. Oh wait there won‘t be any farmers left to grow the wheat for the noodles, So I guess it’ll just be Tuna, Tuna, Tuna from then on.

Hopefully the fishermen will take their boats out of dry dock so we can at least do that.
Makes sense when it hits closer to home, eh?

What a socialist.


I have no problem bailing out fishermen. You must have me confused with someone else. :lol:

Give them subs on their fuel, farmers could use that to.


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uwish wrote:
If farmers need a hand then maybe my business needs a hand as well?

Then why not bail out GM at the same time, then lets bail out west coast left handed bagpipers with one legged dogs.

Then lets..

I support no bail outs for anyone. If your product isn't selling, tough beans. No one gives me money if my private business falls on hard times.

Why would Alberta bail out auto workers in Ontario? Or anybody in BC?

Ooooo 300 million. Wonder if AB can afford it?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:04 pm
 


point is where do you stop?

why only farmers and ranchers?





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uwish wrote:
point is where do you stop?

why only farmers and ranchers?


It brings out the votes when it comes to an election.

It's a dead industry, maybe people don't eat red meat like the used to..just like driving gas guzzling GM SUV's.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:25 pm
 


Alta_redneck wrote:
bootlegga wrote:
People won't starve simply because beef is too expensive. Ever hear of canned tuna?



I guess we should just let the farmers go under, board up the 100's of farming communities in Alberta, move to the City and eat Tuna Casserole. Oh wait there won‘t be any farmers left to grow the wheat for the noodles, So I guess it’ll just be Tuna, Tuna, Tuna from then on.

Hopefully the fishermen will take their boats out of dry dock so we can at least do that.


No, my point was that most PCs (and other s right of centre) here constantly yammer on about the free market...until it affects them or someone they know.

Are we going to subsidize the tourist industry now thats it's forecasting trouble? I doubt it. Yet the tourism industry in Alberta is larger than the agri-food industry. How much do we give them? $500 million? $600 million?

Either we subsidize everyone (janitors, plumbers, architects, farmers, mill workers, etc) or we subsidize no one. That's the only fair way.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:05 pm
 


bootlegga wrote:
No, my point was that most PCs (and other s right of centre) here constantly yammer on about the free market...until it affects them or someone they know.



I've rarely see conervatives on this thread--or on others in Canada opr the US--yammer on about the free market. Conservatives don't like the free market. Listen to Lou Dobbs on CNN go off about Free Trade. I find conservatives these days tend to support more money for government--to support enforcememnt for various moral bans (e.g. marijuanan, same-sex marriage) that they support or to go fight a war somewhere, or to prop up massive new state security apparatus.

Make no mistake--neo-conservatvies are the New Socialists.


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