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Title: Another Arctic ice panic over as world temperatures plummet
Category: Environmental
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2017-05-07 14:57:24
Canadian

[N_Fiddledog]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05 ... s-plummet/

"In recent months global temperatures have plummeted by more that 0.6 degrees: just as happened 17 years ago after a similarly strong El Nino..."

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Inevitably, when even satellite temperatures were showing 2016 as "the hottest year on record", we were going to be told last winter that the Arctic ice was at its lowest extent ever. Sure enough, before Christmas, a report from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration was greeted with such headlines as "Hottest Arctic on record triggers massive ice melt". In March we had the BBC trumpeting another study that blamed vanishing Arctic ice as the cause of weather which led to the worst-ever smog in Beijing, warning that it "could even threaten the Beijing Winter Olympics in 2022".

But last week we were brought back to earth by the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), as charted by our friend Paul Homewood on his blog Notalotofpeopleknowthat, with the news that ever since December temperatures in the Arctic have consistently been lower than minus 20 C. In April the extent of Arctic sea ice was back to where it was in April 13 years ago. Furthermore, whereas in 2008 most of the ice was extremely thin, this year most has been at least two metres thick. The Greenland ice cap last winter increased in volume faster than at any time for years.

As for those record temperatures brought in 2016 by an exceptionally strong El Niño, the satellites now show that in recent months global temperatures have plummeted by more that 0.6 degrees: just as happened 17 years ago after a similarly strong El Niño had also made 1998 the “hottest year on record”.

This means the global temperature trend has now shown no further warming for 19 years. But the BBC won’t be telling us any of this. And we are still stuck with that insanely damaging Climate Change Act, which in this election will scarcely get a mention...

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[N_Fiddledog]

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/icecov ... ars_en.png

"In April the extent of Arctic sea ice was back to where it was in April 13 years ago."

Hard to tell, but looks about right.



https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/graph/Sea ... rev_v2.png

[fifeboy]

Well.... that explains the panicked screaming I heard earlier today. At first I thought it was kids racing their bicycles in the street

[CDN_PATRIOT]

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[BeaverFever]

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The superhuman cock-ups of Christopher Booker
The journalist makes so many errors that you would be forgiven for thinking he did it deliberately to waste everyone's time

In either case, scarcely a week goes by in which he fails to publish at least one excruciating howler. It doesn't matter what the subject is: whether it is asbestos or the European Union, speeding or the family courts, he makes such a remarkable concatenation of mistakes that, if he didn't take himself so seriously, you could almost swear he was doing it deliberately.

This time-wasting exercise would be best ignored if it were not for two things: that the Sunday Telegraph continues to give him a platform for this rubbish, and that his cock-ups have consequences.

Much of his journalism consists of the reckless endangerment of the public. In a long series of articles he has falsely claimed that the danger from white asbestos is insignificant. To support his contention that innocent parents are being harassed by over-zealous officials, he relayed a partisan account which served to minimise and dismiss the serious injuries inflicted on a small baby [see paragraph 185 onwards]. The judge pointed out Booker's "significant factual errors and omissions". And he went on to say: "All of this underlines the dangers inherent in journalists relying on partisan and invariably tendentious reporting by family members and their supporters rather than being present in court to hear the evidence which the court itself hears."

He has published scores of articles insisting that global warming isn't caused by humans, and suggesting that we can carry on burning fossil fuels without regard for the climate. Even when the people he cites as his sources (the health and safety executive in the case of asbestos) try to correct him, he keeps repeating the myth.


...he mistakes he made in his last column almost compare to his all-time cock-up of cock-ups, in which he pointed out, in February 2008, that "Arctic ice isn't vanishing after all." The "warmists", he said, had made much of the fact that in September 2007 northern hemisphere sea ice cover had shrunk to the lowest level ever recorded. But now the ice cover had bounced back, proving how wrong they were. He even published a graph to demonstrate that the ice had indeed expanded between September and January. In other words, Booker appeared incapable of distinguishing between summer and winter....,

Multiple scorches here:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguar ... her-booker

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The Daily Mail and Telegraph get it wrong on Arctic sea ice, again

Coverage of a recent paper on Arctic sea ice and climate change suggests conservative media can’t seem to grasp the concept of long-term trends




Cherry-picking is one of the five telltale techniques of climate change denia. By focusing on short-term blips in noisy data, those who want to maintain the status quo can distract from the long-term threats posed by climate change. Climate contrarians most frequently deploy this strategy using global temperature and Arctic sea ice data.

....In short, the Daily Mail editorial staff tried to figure out the science and math by themselves, got it badly wrong, and eventually corrected the text after many, including Tilling, pointed out the error.

Now, although it doesn’t note the correction, the Mail editorial piece says that sea ice “is bigger than at any time for years” instead of decades. This statement was true in 2013, but is hardly notable. The rest of the piece rants against efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and was not changed after the Mail corrected its error.

Writing for the Telegraph on the same study, Christopher Booker made even more mistakes than the Daily Mail. There are too many to address here, but in two particular egregious examples Booker claims,

Polar bear numbers are rising, not falling. Temperatures in Greenland have shown no increase for decades.

I debunked the polar bears myth in the Denial101x lecture video below (which also discusses Arctic sea ice). Greenland has warmed incredibly rapidly, at a rate of 0.36C per decade since 1960, and a whopping 1.1C per decade since 1990. The latter period represents a warming rate in Greenland more than six times faster than the global average.

Denial101x lecture on polar bears, by Dana Nuccitelli.
This is far from the first time the Daily Mail and Telegraph have gotten Arctic climate science wrong. In fact, in 2013, both ran similar articles focusing on the short-term noise and ignoring the long-term trend. David Rose, who wrote the 2013 Mail piece, was in the Spectator last week advocating against climate policies because Republican politicians in the USA and anti-climate policy advocates in the UK don’t want to accept that the temporary global surface warming slowdown is now over.

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Similarly, the Mail and Telegraph got the science wrong in articles about solar science research the previous week. On both the solar and Arctic research, they seem to have written articles without talking to any climate scientists.

It appears that these conservative media outlets have a particular message to get out (that we shouldn’t take action to curb global warming), and they try to make the science fit that political message. Ideally it should be science that informs policy, not policy preferences that bias beliefs about science.

When ideology is allowed to trump scientific realities, that’s bad journalism.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ic-sea-ice

[Thanos]

Yeah, but you know how they approach these sciency things when it gives them a headache.

[Tricks]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Multiple scorches here:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguar ... her-booker

Holy shit, that comparison between the turbine and furnace. What a profoundly stupid individual.

When was the last time anyone referred to what a furnace puts out as kW anyways?

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

The superhuman cock-ups of...

From:
George Monbiot's blog


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ic-sea-ice

That's all I need for now.

So Beave wants to talk about "superhuman cock-ups" does he? And he believes "cock-ups" from the past decades somehow prove there was not "another Arctic ice panic as world temperatures plummet," does he?

Well, we'll consider that last point in a separate post, but let's deal with this "cock-ups" thing first.

So if there was ever a case of physician heal thyself, or glass houses here it is.

There are many contenders for giant, climate cock-up of all time, but my personal favorite would be that one when the Guardian newspaper was among those who organized and financed what was to become known as the ship of fools Antarctic expedition.

The "fools" in question made the mistake of believing their own bullshit and quickly discovered contrary to what they were leading us to believe the Antarctic was not becoming a summer beach resort, because their ship got stuck in the ice that wasn't supposed to be there. It got stuck for weeks and it took at least 3 nations I can't remember how many millions of dollars to get cast and crew out of there.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/02/ ... -be-asked/

Now as to Monbiot and speaking of cock-ups, do you mean the George Monbiot who is so concerned about waste he claims to eat road-kill, yet somehow he magically appears for climate and other meet-ups all over the world - we'll assume by magic carpet, because surely Roadkill George would never endanger the planet by condoning jet flight. That George Monbiot?

The guy who told us Warmagedon had arrived last August, but the evil oil companies had bribed the media to keep it a secret? (Another secret they seem to be keeping pretty good is we're still here. )

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/05/ ... it-secret/

The guy who (through The Guardian again) alerted us to another secret plot of evil oil to secretly fund science research...except if you take the time to read the study's paper it openly acknowledges such funding.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/01/ ... asy-tweet/

The guy who told us (again in the Guardian) that in 10 years there wasn't going to be enough water or fertilizer for dairy, eggs or meat? That was in 2002.

The guy who told us (again in the Guardian) cold and snow in the England of 2010 was a "localized event," but forgot to tell us about the snow blizzards in Australia among other things?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/20/ ... -red-fury/

The guy who had to admit to mistakes in the past concerning his decades long campaign of smears against Daily Telegraph writer Christopher Booker?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/17/ ... ve-boobed/

That George Monbiot? That's who's now claiming "cock-ups" again, is it?"

But as I understand your point, Beave, because somebody claims somebody else has been making cock-ups we don't have to consider their claims. Is that it? Well why are we listening to George Monbiot and the Guardian newspaper then?

[N_Fiddledog]

But I don't see why we need to investigate George and the Guardian's decades of smears against a journalist from another paper who apparently committed the crime of having an opinion contrary to their own.

Why shouldn't we simply look at the claims made and consider if those are credible? Aren't those what we're actually talking about?

So as to "Another Arctic Ice Panic," I'm guessing he's talking about stuff like this one the CBC was pulling their hair out over last Tuesday:

Arctic climate warming higher and faster than expected

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A new international report shows that Arctic temperatures are rising higher and faster than expected, and the effects are already being felt around the world.

"The Arctic's climate is shifting to a new state," warns the report.

"This transformation has profound implications for people, resources and ecosystems worldwide."

Christopher claims we're coming out of a natural El Nino warming period that would explain would explain increased Arctic warming during that period. These guys agree on the El Nino bit:

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/scienc ... nina-looms

Christopher claims the global temperature is cooling at the moment. The satellites agree:



So do you have anything to contradict what appears to be fact other than your opinion it can't be true because George Monbiot has been smearing Christopher Booker for over a decade in a leftist rag.

[ShepherdsDog]

Thanos Thanos:

Yeah, but you know how they approach these sciency things when it gives them a headache.

Not even the Vatican believes this anymore. This is strictly the domain of the inbred and corn fed Talibaptist types that infest American society.

[N_Fiddledog]

On the other hand...

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

$1:

The superhuman cock-ups of...

From:
George Monbiot's blog


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ic-sea-ice

That's all I need for now.

So Beave wants to talk about "superhuman cock-ups" does he? And he believes "cock-ups" from the past decades somehow prove there was not "another Arctic ice panic as world temperatures plummet," does he?

Well, we'll consider that last point in a separate post, but let's deal with this "cock-ups" thing first.

So if there was ever a case of physician heal thyself, or glass houses here it is.

There are many contenders for giant, climate cock-up of all time, but my personal favorite would be that one when the Guardian newspaper was among those who organized and financed what was to become known as the ship of fools Antarctic expedition.

The "fools" in question made the mistake of believing their own bullshit and quickly discovered contrary to what they were leading us to believe the Antarctic was not becoming a summer beach resort, because their ship got stuck in the ice that wasn't supposed to be there. It got stuck for weeks and it took at least 3 nations I can't remember how many millions of dollars to get cast and crew out of there.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/02/ ... -be-asked/

Now as to Monbiot and speaking of cock-ups, do you mean the George Monbiot who is so concerned about waste he claims to eat road-kill, yet somehow he magically appears for climate and other meet-ups all over the world - we'll assume by magic carpet, because surely Roadkill George would never endanger the planet by condoning jet flight. That George Monbiot?

The guy who told us Warmagedon had arrived last August, but the evil oil companies had bribed the media to keep it a secret? (Another secret they seem to be keeping pretty good is we're still here. )

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/05/ ... it-secret/

The guy who (through The Guardian again) alerted us to another secret plot of evil oil to secretly fund science research...except if you take the time to read the study's paper it openly acknowledges such funding.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/07/01/ ... asy-tweet/

The guy who told us (again in the Guardian) that in 10 years there wasn't going to be enough water or fertilizer for dairy, eggs or meat? That was in 2002.

The guy who told us (again in the Guardian) cold and snow in the England of 2010 was a "localized event," but forgot to tell us about the snow blizzards in Australia among other things?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/20/ ... -red-fury/

The guy who had to admit to mistakes in the past concerning his decades long campaign of smears against Daily Telegraph writer Christopher Booker?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/17/ ... ve-boobed/

That George Monbiot? That's who's now claiming "cock-ups" again, is it?"

But as I understand your point, Beave, because somebody claims somebody else has been making cock-ups we don't have to consider their claims. Is that it? Well why are we listening to George Monbiot and the Guardian newspaper then?

Jesus doggie, if you are going to have a heart attack about the shit people have done at least use someone us low levels have heard of ! George Monbiot must be above our pay grade because that's the first time I've heard his name. Had to look it up. Journalist and Political activist eh... a real leader in climate science.

[DrCaleb]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Jesus doggie, if you are going to have a heart attack about the shit people have done at least use someone us low levels have heard of ! George Monbiot must be above our pay grade because that's the first time I've heard his name. Had to look it up. Journalist and Political activist eh... a real leader in climate science.

Figures too that Doggie would post a thread bitching about militant meteorologists pushing a climate change agenda last week, and this week use all those links from the Internet's biggest militant meteorologist.

[BartSimpson]

Hyperbole aside, the fact remains that the world is currently cooling. Hope that means a longer winter and a shorter summer for Canada.