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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:00 pm
 


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How does the diversification of Alberta's economy morph into people losing everything?


Someone always gets to lose. It's the entire point of the game.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:01 pm
 


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How does the diversification of Alberta's economy morph into people losing everything?


Thousands have already lost everything.


So, explain to me how diversification and creating jobs is bad for them?


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Any charity that works to cause more harm to Albertans should probably leave this province altogether and go to Vancouver or Central Canada and set up shop in an environment where they'd be more comfortable around many more of those who think the exact same way. .

Are you suggesting that the U of C should leave Calgary??? Where would they go? What to call themselves???


You guys will win in the end. You have all the important power on your side which will guarantee it. Alberta will lose, because we always do. It's merely the way it is, merely the way life works out. Just try to show some class and not be so goddamn cheerful about it, eh. It's not polite to gloat that much in front of people who will be losing everything.

You guys??? Do you mean Saskatchewan? Of course we will take the U of C. Move it to Speedy Creek. No place is ever harmed by an influx of well educated, intelligent people! Then Alberta can take the money saved by not having to pay for an institute of higher learning and give it to oil companies to move to Saudi Arabia.

Come to think of it, better move it somewhere else, that dumb pass Scott Moe probably also doesn't like people thinking.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:12 pm
 


Thanos wrote:
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How does the diversification of Alberta's economy morph into people losing everything?


Someone always gets to lose. It's the entire point of the game.


It's like no one even read the article.

Let me highlight it for everyone:

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In a 174-page letter to inquiry commissioner Steve Allan, the Muttart Foundation says the Public Inquiry Into Funding of Anti-Alberta Energy Campaigns is creating a "climate of fear" by suggesting there is a price to be paid for disagreeing with the government.

"The [order creating the inquiry] construes criticism of the oil and gas industry — or, depending on one's perspective, concern about the environment — as 'anti-Alberta,"' the letter says.

"Surely, in a democracy as lively and as firmly entrenched as that of Alberta, it cannot be anti-Alberta or 'unAlbertan' to engage in serious debate about significant issues.

"Disagreeing with government or with those involved in the energy industry is not evidence of wrongdoing. It is simply what happens in a free and democratic society."


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The inquiry was called earlier this year to fulfil a campaign promise by Premier Jason Kenney's United Conservative. Kenney has repeatedly accused U.S. charities of bankrolling efforts to block Canadian energy in a concerted "campaign of lies and defamation."

The letter acknowledges that any misinformation needs to be called out.

But it adds that the inquiry's terms of reference seem to deliberately single out criticism of the province's energy industry and seem to suggest that it's findings could affect provincial grant and support programs.


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Using Canada Revenue Agency data, it found that foreign funds accounted for less than one per cent of the total revenue of $261.8 billion received by more than 84,000 Canadian charities in 2016, the most recent year for which statistics are available.

In Alberta, 284 charities received $88.5 million from foreign sources — less than three per cent of their revenue. The University of Calgary was the top recipient, raking in 42 per cent of all foreign funding in Alberta.

The rest of the Top 10 were four other post-secondary institutions, three religious charities, an international development charity and an arts organization.

More religious charities received foreign funding than any other type. Environmental charities ranked last out of nine.


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"There is a concern about Alberta's economy. There is a concern about climate change.

"That dispute is not going to go away in the short term. We need to figure out ways to deal with both of those issues and to get rid of the polarization which currently exists."


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:14 pm
 


Myself, I'm looking at all of this and wondering how great it will look to see 52-star flags flying over the state capitals of Alberta and Saskatchewan! [B-o]


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:19 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Thanos wrote:
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How does the diversification of Alberta's economy morph into people losing everything?


Someone always gets to lose. It's the entire point of the game.


It's like no one even read the article.

Let me highlight it for everyone:

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Not being snotty with the emoji BTW, just didn't want to block-quote all that text from the article.

Why should anyone working to cause further damage to Alberta receive government grants paid for by the same Alberta taxpayers they're trying to impoverish? :?

And their freedoms aren't being silenced. Not when they're on the internet all the fucking time going on about the evil government "taking away their rights to dissent". They're always free to go get more money from Tides or the Greens or Greenpeace to do whatever it is they want to do. Christ, it's not like the wealthy and well-funded enemy is ever fucking short of their own war-chest money. Kind of uniquely Canadian bit of left-wing intellectual perversity in action right there - work as hard as you can as an activist to toss others out of work and at the same time claim that you have a full right to be financed by those you're trying to toss out of work. :roll:

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Myself, I'm looking at all of this and wondering how great it will look to see 52-star flags flying over the state capitals of Alberta and Saskatchewan! [B-o]


At this stage I'm almost hoping I live to see that day. :|


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:20 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
PluggyRug wrote:
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How does the diversification of Alberta's economy morph into people losing everything?


Thousands have already lost everything.


So, explain to me how diversification and creating jobs is bad for them?


You're missing the point, it's already too late.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:25 pm
 


PluggyRug wrote:
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Thousands have already lost everything.


So, explain to me how diversification and creating jobs is bad for them?


You're missing the point, it's already too late.


Pretty sure there was no point, so I got a bullseye.

Try posting an irrelevant meme. Perhaps that will work!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:26 pm
 


PluggyRug wrote:

You're missing the point, it's already too late.



We're doomed. 8O


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:38 pm
 


Thanos wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
Thanos wrote:

Someone always gets to lose. It's the entire point of the game.


It's like no one even read the article.

Let me highlight it for everyone:


Image

Not being snotty with the emoji BTW, just didn't want to block-quote all that text from the article.


All good. I usually use ". . . " to represent that. I'm totally stealing that gif.

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Why should anyone working to cause further damage to Alberta receive government grants paid for by the same Alberta taxpayers they're trying to impoverish? :?


Why should anyone with ideas for economic diversification other than in the oil sector be assumed to be causing 'damage' to the oil sector? Like the letter the charity put out, is Alberta not adult enough to have these discussions?

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And their freedoms aren't being silenced. Not when they're on the internet all the fucking time going on about the evil government "taking away their rights to dissent". They're always free to go get more money from Tides or the Greens or Greenpeace to do whatever it is they want to do. Christ, it's not like the wealthy and well-funded enemy is ever fucking short of their own war-chest money.


And as the letter said (and the raw Statscan data shows) it's Religious organizations that get the most foreign funding in Alberta. Why will organizations feel the full weight of the Alberta Government if they advocate against the Oil industry?

And somehow, religion funding gets a 'pass'.

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Kind of uniquely Canadian bit of left-wing intellectual perversity in action right there - work as hard as you can as an activist to toss others out of work and at the same time claim that you have a full right to be financed by those you're trying to toss out of work. :roll:



I've shown before that the Oil industry isn't even in Alberta's top 5 employers, or sectors. Is advocating for more health care providers (Albera's #1 employer) somehow against he oil sector? What about retraining drillers to work in the geothermal industry? Is that Anti-Albertan too?


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Texas goes through boom/busts. They got hammered just as bad in 2014/15 when the Arabs tanked the world price through over-production. What Texas has in it's benefit is that they don't have a federal government deliberately working against them. Even under Obama, an anti-oil Satan if you listen to the right-wing drips here on CKA and at other places, the federal regulations weren't put into place in order to deliberately destroy the entire domestic industry. And that's what the Trudeau Liberals and all the other left-wingers in this country are openly trying to do, kill the industry altogether with zero regard for the real-life consequences to Canadians. Or are Albertans even considered Canadians at all, in their view? Most days it seems like we aren't.

I admit to being an absolutist on this. Just don't tell me that the other side isn't. And, once again, if we hadn't been robbed of over $600 billion in taxation transfers since the 1960's, what kind of more diversified economy could we have built out here? We'll never know, because there was no way in hell they would have ever allowed that to happen anyway. They are against us, period. They always have been and they always will be.



What $600 billion are you talking about?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:22 pm
 


$240 billion in the last 11 years alone:

https://vancouversun.com/news/canada/ho ... 761a3c7f1c

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The Statistics Canada numbers also show Quebec benefitted most from the equalization program, raking in $107.5 billion. The program shuffles federal tax dollars to provinces with less money so all Canadians have comparable public services at comparable taxation levels.

How the statistics were gathered changed 11 years ago and so Statistics Canada does not have comparable numbers before that. However, a study by the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy showed that from 1961 to 2017, Alberta’s net federal fiscal transfers amounted to more than $600 billion.


You're welcome. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:27 pm
 


Quite a lot of money has been lost in Royalties as well, from the difference that oil would have brought in if we had pipelines that didn't depress the market price of oil.


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Thanos wrote:

How the statistics were gathered changed 11 years ago and so Statistics Canada does not have comparable numbers before that. However, a study by the University of Calgary’s School of Public Policy showed that from 1961 to 2017, Alberta’s net federal fiscal transfers amounted to more than $600 billion.


I wonder if they used the “lefty” money coming from the US to fund that study?


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Quite a lot of money has been lost in Royalties as well, from the difference that oil would have brought in if we had pipelines that didn't depress the market price of oil.


That the provincial government has been a terrible manager and administrator of all that wealth doesn't negate the fact that Albertans have been robbed blind by the federal government of this country.

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I wonder if they used the “lefty” money coming from the US to fund that study?


OK boomer.


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