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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm
 


Title: B.C. premier and energy minister announce $120M plan to clean up orphan and dormant oil and gas wells
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2020-05-13 18:46:31
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I wonder what the fuck they're really going to do with the money they're supposedly going to use to clean up these "orphaned and abandoned" wells. Especially in light of the fact that the oil companies are now required by law to do the exact same thing?

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Energy companies must fulfil their environmental obligations before paying back creditors in the case of insolvency or bankruptcy, Canada's Supreme Court has ruled.

The top court's ruling released Thursday overturns two lower court decisions that said bankruptcy law has paramountcy over provincial environmental responsibilities in the case of Redwater Energy, which became insolvent in 2015. That meant energy companies could first pay back creditors before cleaning up old wells. In practical terms, that means energy companies could walk away from old oil and gas wells, leaving them someone else's responsibility.

The top court ruled 5-2 to overturn the earlier ruling. In doing that, it said bankruptcy is not a licence to ignore environmental regulations, and there is no inherent conflict between federal bankruptcy laws and provincial environmental regulations.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/suprem ... -1.4998995

I don't know about the rest of the population but I'm getting sick and tired of disingenuous and unethical gov'ts thinking that every Canadian is a fucking moron that they can bullshit with their outright lies and twisted machinations without anyone noticing.


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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2020 11:16 pm
 


Can't they just declare bankruptcy to avoid fines?


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Freakinoldguy wrote:
I wonder what the fuck they're really going to do with the money they're supposedly going to use to clean up these "orphaned and abandoned" wells. Especially in light of the fact that the oil companies are now required by law to do the exact same thing?

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Energy companies must fulfil their environmental obligations before paying back creditors in the case of insolvency or bankruptcy, Canada's Supreme Court has ruled.

The top court's ruling released Thursday overturns two lower court decisions that said bankruptcy law has paramountcy over provincial environmental responsibilities in the case of Redwater Energy, which became insolvent in 2015. That meant energy companies could first pay back creditors before cleaning up old wells. In practical terms, that means energy companies could walk away from old oil and gas wells, leaving them someone else's responsibility.

The top court ruled 5-2 to overturn the earlier ruling. In doing that, it said bankruptcy is not a licence to ignore environmental regulations, and there is no inherent conflict between federal bankruptcy laws and provincial environmental regulations.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/suprem ... -1.4998995

I don't know about the rest of the population but I'm getting sick and tired of disingenuous and unethical gov'ts thinking that every Canadian is a fucking moron that they can bullshit with their outright lies and twisted machinations without anyone noticing.



Sorry, you don’t understand because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your knee-jerk anti- government, pro-corporate response is quite lacking.

Your beloved oil industry are the ones who have been disingenuous and unethical here.

Let me spell it out for you: the court ruling only that says bankrupt companies who happen to have some cash remaining have to put that cash towards cleaning up orphaned oil wells before paying off creditors. Cant you understand that’s not the same thing as saying their orphaned wells will be paid for? If you leave a $50 million cleanup bill for your orphaned wells but only have $1 million in cash leftover after bankruptcy this court ruling only says it will have to go towards cleanup but where do you think the other $49 million is going to come from?

Also you seem blissfully unaware that there’s a massive backlog of unfunded orphaned wells from companies that have gone bankrupt in the past and were allowed to walk away without paying anything thanks to oil-friendly government shills that have your undying support.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 5:47 am
 


Do you wanna turn it down about 20% there bud?


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 9:51 am
 


Why?
The oil companies need the TWENTY PERCENT HIKE IN GAS PRICES they pulled here, just as Covid restrictions ease and summer long weekends start. Not to clean up dick shit or anything, just because they CAN. Remind us who's Boss and all that, you know, for handing our their tax dollar to peasants like us and telling us not to travel.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 10:26 am
 


herbie wrote:
Why?


Because FOG has done none of the things Beave is accusing him of, and such accusations only lead to impolite discussions.

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BeaverFever wrote:
Freakinoldguy wrote:
I wonder what the fuck they're really going to do with the money they're supposedly going to use to clean up these "orphaned and abandoned" wells. Especially in light of the fact that the oil companies are now required by law to do the exact same thing?

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Energy companies must fulfil their environmental obligations before paying back creditors in the case of insolvency or bankruptcy, Canada's Supreme Court has ruled.

The top court's ruling released Thursday overturns two lower court decisions that said bankruptcy law has paramountcy over provincial environmental responsibilities in the case of Redwater Energy, which became insolvent in 2015. That meant energy companies could first pay back creditors before cleaning up old wells. In practical terms, that means energy companies could walk away from old oil and gas wells, leaving them someone else's responsibility.

The top court ruled 5-2 to overturn the earlier ruling. In doing that, it said bankruptcy is not a licence to ignore environmental regulations, and there is no inherent conflict between federal bankruptcy laws and provincial environmental regulations.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/suprem ... -1.4998995

I don't know about the rest of the population but I'm getting sick and tired of disingenuous and unethical gov'ts thinking that every Canadian is a fucking moron that they can bullshit with their outright lies and twisted machinations without anyone noticing.



Sorry, you don’t understand because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your knee-jerk anti- government, pro-corporate response is quite lacking.

Your beloved oil industry are the ones who have been disingenuous and unethical here.

Let me spell it out for you: the court ruling only that says bankrupt companies who happen to have some cash remaining have to put that cash towards cleaning up orphaned oil wells before paying off creditors. Cant you understand that’s not the same thing as saying their orphaned wells will be paid for? If you leave a $50 million cleanup bill for your orphaned wells but only have $1 million in cash leftover after bankruptcy this court ruling only says it will have to go towards cleanup but where do you think the other $49 million is going to come from?

Also you seem blissfully unaware that there’s a massive backlog of unfunded orphaned wells from companies that have gone bankrupt in the past and were allowed to walk away without paying anything thanks to oil-friendly government shills that have your undying support.
NEWFLASH: The EXACT same thing is happening with defunct wind turbines. Even though the companies that put them up agreed by contract to remove them, many are being left to rot and fall apart where they stand because it's not "cost effective" for the companies to remove them. All thanks to idiotic green-friendly govt shills that have YOUR undying support, ya friggin' hypocrite.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 10:37 am
 


^^^

That is why.

DrCaleb wrote:
herbie wrote:
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Because FOG has done none of the things Beave is accusing him of, and such accusations only lead to impolite discussions.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 10:43 am
 


Polite discussions... when did that happen? [huh]


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 10:51 am
 


We will have polite discussions, dammit!

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:53 am
 


Floggings will continue until morale improves!


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:55 am
 


^^^

Unless they enjoy it, then other arrangements will be made.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:57 am
 


PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:

Sorry, you don’t understand because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your knee-jerk anti- government, pro-corporate response is quite lacking.

Your beloved oil industry are the ones who have been disingenuous and unethical here.

Let me spell it out for you: the court ruling only that says bankrupt companies who happen to have some cash remaining have to put that cash towards cleaning up orphaned oil wells before paying off creditors. Cant you understand that’s not the same thing as saying their orphaned wells will be paid for? If you leave a $50 million cleanup bill for your orphaned wells but only have $1 million in cash leftover after bankruptcy this court ruling only says it will have to go towards cleanup but where do you think the other $49 million is going to come from?

Also you seem blissfully unaware that there’s a massive backlog of unfunded orphaned wells from companies that have gone bankrupt in the past and were allowed to walk away without paying anything thanks to oil-friendly government shills that have your undying support.
NEWFLASH: The EXACT same thing is happening with defunct wind turbines. Even though the companies that put them up agreed by contract to remove them, many are being left to rot and fall apart where they stand because it's not "cost effective" for the companies to remove them. All thanks to idiotic green-friendly govt shills that have YOUR undying support, ya friggin' hypocrite.


Nope wrong again More conservative fake news:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... nes-litte/


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:58 am
 


DrCaleb wrote:
^^^

Unless they enjoy it, then other arrangements will be made.


Lady Heather will hurt you. 8O


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