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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:56 pm
 


Title: BBC Exclusive: Pentagon funded Iraqi Death squads and torture centres
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Posted By: BeaverFever
Date: 2013-03-06 18:46:37


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Documentary Here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... iraq-video


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:11 pm
 


I always suspected that the militias wanted more than just cash for their support.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:57 pm
 


Just more proof that the architects of the war need to be clapped in irons and tried for war crimes.


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Thanks for sharing this


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:25 am
 


xerxes wrote:
Just more proof that the architects of the war need to be clapped in irons and tried for war crimes.



Well, that isn't going to happen, it's your choice to waste your time dreaming
of silly things. Me, I don't bother.

It would be nice if countries and governments played fair, but they don't.

Always some bastard wanting more and more.


If the US played by all the fair rules, we would now be speaking
Russian, getting ready to learn Chinese... or German, depending on your
location. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:53 am
 


When I hear about crap like this, this video comes to mind;



Sad but often true...still I doubt anyone high up will pay the price for doing this, some lackey somewhere will cop a plea instead - just like happened with Abu Gharib, Iran/Contra and every other scandal of this nature.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:05 pm
 


martin14 wrote:
Well, that isn't going to happen, it's your choice to waste your time dreaming
of silly things. Me, I don't bother.


But yet you wail like a banshee when someone like Iran does anything similar. Hypocrite.


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Not Iran, we've been blasting Venezuela and Cuba, lately.


Well we should, since Chavez and Castro were so much worse than Batista and what's his face. At least they were the US' sons of bitches. Same with Palavi. Can't understand why those countries made such radical shifts in govt.


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andyt wrote:
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Not Iran, we've been blasting Venezuela and Cuba, lately.


Well we should, since Chavez and Castro were so much worse than Batista and what's his face. At least they were the US' sons of bitches. Same with Palavi. Can't understand why those countries made such radical shifts in govt.


Because pendulums have a consistent tendency to swing back with the exact opposite amount of force with which they were first pushed.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:46 pm
 


xerxes wrote:
Just more proof that the architects of the war need to be clapped in irons and tried for war crimes.

Can they be red-hot irons?


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raydan wrote:
So you guys must be close to getting a very, very large pendulum to the face.


We are.

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andyt wrote:
Well we should, since Chavez and Castro were so much worse than Batista and what's his face. At least they were the US' sons of bitches. Same with Palavi. Can't understand why those countries made such radical shifts in govt.


Because pendulums have a consistent tendency to swing back with the exact opposite amount of force with which they were first pushed.

Batista was a bastard and his Cuba was a den of vicious criminals. However, I am willing to bet that the Castro brothers were willing to let the island become a radioactive pile of slag and kill millions in '62 solely because they just wanted to poke the United States in the eye.

As for Chavez, he was just a clown whose over-the-top and bellicose anti-Americanism provided us with so many laughs, especially when the King of Spain verbally smacked him.


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Batista was a bastard and his Cuba was a den of vicious criminals. However, I am willing to bet that the Castro brothers were willing to let the island become a radioactive pile of slag and kill millions in '62 solely because they just wanted to poke the United States in the eye.

As for Chavez, he was just a clown whose over-the-top and bellicose anti-Americanism provided us with so many laughs, especially when the King of Spain verbally smacked him.


Castro was a case of the USA pushing the pendulum too far. If the USA had been more receptive to his initial revolution I think Castro could have been guided into a more moderate view. Instead the first thing that happened was the Eisenhower Administration demanded that the Batista regime be returned to power which was kind of laughable after they were defeated. Then when Kennedy had a chance to establish good relations with Castro he instead gave tepid support to the Bay of Pigs invasion and pushed Castro squarely into the Soviet camp as a result.

The problem with Cuba was, in a nutshell, American racism.

After the US took Cuba in the Spanish-American War it really should have been encouraged to become a state but the bigots in power (racism being non-partisan back then) didn't want to see two brown guys in the US Senate. The end result was Cuba got spun off while we kept Puerto Rico as a territory because of strategic reasons.

With Castro about to join Chavez sometime soon there's another opportunity to reset US-Cuba relations and I hope Obama has the presence of mind to sit down all the players - including the Cuban expatriates in Florida - and to hammer out a fair and viable working relationship that benefits everyone involved.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:11 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
andyt wrote:
raydan wrote:
Not Iran, we've been blasting Venezuela and Cuba, lately.


Well we should, since Chavez and Castro were so much worse than Batista and what's his face. At least they were the US' sons of bitches. Same with Palavi. Can't understand why those countries made such radical shifts in govt.


Because pendulums have a consistent tendency to swing back with the exact opposite amount of force with which they were first pushed.


Exactly. So foaming about Chavez but ignoring what went on before him is kinda stupid, no?

Reading your answer to FV, what have you done with the real Bart?


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