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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:44 pm
 


Nothing to see here... obviously fake news since we know carbon taxes don't work....


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:52 pm
 


^^^

Only if they believe the right wind disinformation that carbon taxes are meant to clean the environment. They aren't. They are meant to reduce usage. And a great many economists have shown they do just that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:08 pm
 


British coal consumption for power generation has been declining since the 1970's. The carbon tax might be extra incentive to abandon coal altogether but obviously it's only the most recent factor in a very long trend.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:36 pm
 


Sorry, I fixed the link so now everyone can not read the article. :oops:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:32 pm
 


Thanos wrote:
British coal consumption for power generation has been declining since the 1970's.


True. Mostly because the best UK coal has been mined out. What's left is mostly what some call 'brown' coal that burns cooler, smokes more, and leaves about ten times the ash of anthracite.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:01 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
Thanos wrote:
British coal consumption for power generation has been declining since the 1970's.


True. Mostly because the best UK coal has been mined out. What's left is mostly what some call 'brown' coal that burns cooler, smokes more, and leaves about ten times the ash of anthracite.

Interesting point, although completely irrelevant to this topic, in the Middle Ages, a semiprecious stone used in jewelry was actually anthracite. It was black and called jet, as in jet black. Now, back to the game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:19 pm
 


Sure. Just don't give a punitive tax the sole credit for hammering the nails in the coffin of a fuel source that was already in irreversible decline due to both the depletion of domestic supply in Britain as well due to the other negative environmental effects it creates (smog, acid rain, ash-poisoning of waterways, etc). Except for dinguses like Trump there's no one else out there, period, saying "we should really be using more coal". It would still be a dying industry with or without climate change & carbon taxes coming into consideration.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:42 pm
 


This tidbit is also a major reason...


This accelerated decline is explained partly by the government’s decision to slap an expiry date on the industry, announcing in 2015 that it would stamp out coal power entirely within a decade.


https://www.ft.com/content/a05d1dd4-ddd ... 5a370481bc


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:05 am
 


Title: British carbon tax leads to 93% drop in coal-fired electricity
Category: Environmental
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2020-01-27 12:03:38
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:05 am
 


and will likely result in huge increase in general cost per KWH as in any other jurisdiction this has been tried.

https://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/2020/ ... fuerchtet/

Then people like us have to pay more for you to feel better about yourself in this fake climate crisis.

In Germany they are paying ~0.34c/kwh that is about 500% more than only a decade ago. Don't come crying to me when you can't afford power, ask Ontario how it's gone for them...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:10 am
 


Get woke, go broke.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:33 am
 


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and will likely result in huge increase in general cost per KWH as in any other jurisdiction this has been tried.

https://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/2020/ ... fuerchtet/

Then people like us have to pay more for you to feel better about yourself in this fake climate crisis.

In Germany they are paying ~0.34c/kwh that is about 500% more than only a decade ago. Don't come crying to me when you can't afford power, ask Ontario how it's gone for them...


That's just fear mongering based on your personal opinion.

The facts seem to prove the cost of electricity in the UK has always followed the price of natural gas and continues to do so even after the carbon tax was placed on coal.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/418126/electricity-prices-for-households-in-the-uk/


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:49 am
 


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:02 am
 


Prof_Chomsky wrote:
Nothing to see here... obviously fake news since we know carbon taxes don't work....


Kind of...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:24 am
 


In fact, this same thing happened after Kyoto. I remember the Americans were laughing because the Europeans tried to follow the accord with their windmills. They also launched a giant carbon trading market in Europe.

But emissions went up in Europe and down in America.

In America there was a market driven decision to switch over from coal to natural gas. Emissions went down.

Correlation/Causation? Now Britain is switching over to gas but they're also taxing carbon. Which one seems more likely as cause for decrease in emissions? Switching over to natural gas or carbon taxing? I know where my money is. Not where the Doc, Phys.org and the Prof's is but that's what makes me a proud "denier," I guess.

I deny there is any scientific evidence that governments can adjust the climate thermostat with their carbon taxes. I think it's just another power-through-money grab.


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