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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:03 pm
 


mtbr mtbr:
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I'm NOT pro union.... I'm a card carrying member of the Conservatives.... However I'm smart enough to realize we are now engaged in a global economic war and sorry... I'll give none of my money to off shore companies...

It's like this... Why buy your bread and donuts from a bakery 50 miles away when there is one in your own community....

Trade should be for the benefit of both trading partners... You trade for products you do not have... What would be the sense in trading Nova Scotia apples for apples from California? Yet we sell cars and other goods from foreign coorporations that our own companies ourselves manufacture. We should be importing goods and services we can not or do not produce... Again why trade apples for apples when you should be trading apples for pineapples...

Sorry but you blokes are buying too much into this globalization crap... How many hospitals, community centres, schools have Toyota or Honda helped build in Canada or USA? The only auto companies to offer assistance to NYC after 9-11 was GM, Ford & Chrysler...

Wake up and smell the roses....


http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/pu ... 1781.shtml
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2008/06/1 ... n-iowa.htm

http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/09/19/t ... onal-park/
http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/6794734 ... index.html

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/toyot ... od-victims

http://news.siu.edu/news/November08/110608par8143.html

gees old man try google once in a while it's scary what you might find ...those took me 20 seconds :P

would you like some more?

get your head out of the sand.


Wake up punk...do you really believe everything you read on the internet. I can post links to Elvis is living in Paris or Jimmy Hoffa was on the Grassy Knoll...

Geez... you're really got your head up your arse...





PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:06 pm
 


stemmer stemmer:
mtbr mtbr:
stemmer stemmer:
I'm NOT pro union.... I'm a card carrying member of the Conservatives.... However I'm smart enough to realize we are now engaged in a global economic war and sorry... I'll give none of my money to off shore companies...

It's like this... Why buy your bread and donuts from a bakery 50 miles away when there is one in your own community....

Trade should be for the benefit of both trading partners... You trade for products you do not have... What would be the sense in trading Nova Scotia apples for apples from California? Yet we sell cars and other goods from foreign coorporations that our own companies ourselves manufacture. We should be importing goods and services we can not or do not produce... Again why trade apples for apples when you should be trading apples for pineapples...

Sorry but you blokes are buying too much into this globalization crap... How many hospitals, community centres, schools have Toyota or Honda helped build in Canada or USA? The only auto companies to offer assistance to NYC after 9-11 was GM, Ford & Chrysler...

Wake up and smell the roses....


http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/pu ... 1781.shtml
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2008/06/1 ... n-iowa.htm

http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/09/19/t ... onal-park/
http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/6794734 ... index.html

http://www.autospectator.com/cars/toyot ... od-victims

http://news.siu.edu/news/November08/110608par8143.html

gees old man try google once in a while it's scary what you might find ...those took me 20 seconds :P

would you like some more?

get your head out of the sand.


Wake up punk...do you really believe everything you read on the internet. I can post links to Elvis is living in Paris or Jimmy Hoffa was on the Grassy Knoll...

Geez... you're really got your head up your arse...


news item and articles are made up because they're posted on the internet 8O ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL
you're incredible...I think CKA needs to hand out another tin foiler award...you're the king....all hail the Foil King :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:09 pm
 


Logical fallacy


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:52 am
 


Proculation Proculation:
$1:
I'll give none of my money to off shore companies...

So only western industrialized nations can prosper and have a better quality of life ? That's very selfish.


Who said that? Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc are free to sell in Japan. Which is only fair since Japan makes it extremely difficult for North American companies to sell in Japan...

As I've asked before BUT many of you will not acknowledge or reply to.... "Why should North America be the dumping grounds for nations which will NOT reciprocate?"...

Again why trade apples for apples when we should be trading apples for oranges...

Life for the working, middle class in North America was MUCH better before we became the dumping market for every other nations products.... The mindset which is fostering this trend must STOP or else North America will be the next third world....


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:56 am
 


$1:



You may have bought into the global socialist chicanery so you can learn to speak Cantonese or Mandarin and bend over and smile while you take it up the A$$... BUT I will NOT buy into these puppet masters lies... Corporations like Sony, Honda, Toyota are causing the grief the middle class in North America are currently enduring... Sure cheap goods may cost the middle class less at the cashier BUT the cost to jobs is more... Who will be able to buy that $50.00 dvd player if you are unemployed....

Bring back the haydays of GM, Ford and Chrysler and the standard of living our grand-parents and parents enjoyed in the 1950's & 60's will return to the middle class of North America... If goods are so much cheaper today then why doesn't a family of two working full time NOT have the same disposable income of a single working family of the 1960's?

Read a book, learn history and stop buying into internet lies being spread by socialists and globalists... Stand up and help save our country....





PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:58 am
 


stemmer stemmer:

Read a book, learn history and stop buying into internet lies being spread by socialists and globalists... ...


and crazy old men stuck in the last century.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:17 am
 


Disprove my points then punk. Prove to me a 21st century family of 2 full time workers has more disposable income then a single earning family of the 1960's...

Prove to me the middle class is better off today with the decline of our industries...

Prove to me or shut up PUNK....

(I'll continue to call you PUNK as long as you call me OLD MAN or anything close to it - you started the name calling not I)...

Now debate or shut the F**K UP....





PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:30 am
 


stemmer stemmer:
Disprove my points then punk. Prove to me a 21st century family of 2 full time workers has more disposable income then a single earning family of the 1960's...

Prove to me the middle class is better off today with the decline of our industries...

Prove to me or shut up PUNK....

(I'll continue to call you PUNK as long as you call me OLD MAN or anything close to it - you started the name calling not I)...

Now debate or shut the F**K UP....


you still think your Chevy is a 100% North American car..

you just hate anything foreign..

anything posted on the internet is just a lie anyways :roll:

okay gramps :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:24 am
 


No... I don't hate anything foreign.... I dislike it when we open our markets with arms wide open to nations like Japan YET they close their markets to our products.

That's what I'm talking about... That type of trade does not HELP Canada/US...

Now explain to me how we have more disposable income and a better standard of living then we did in the 50s or 60s...

Now kindly explain... I'm listening, but your not talking.... :!: :!: :!: ...other then avoiding questions and name calling....





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stemmer stemmer:
No... I don't hate anything foreign.... I dislike it when we open our markets with arms wide open to nations like Japan YET they close their markets to our products.
..
That's what I'm talking about... That type of trade does not HELP Canada/US...

Now explain to me how we have more disposable income and a better standard of living then we did in the 50s or 60s...

Now kindly explain... I'm listening, but your not talking.... :!: :!: :!: ...other then avoiding questions and name calling....


greed ....

two cars (3 cars) replace them constantly so they always have payments.
...RVs...kids play hockey, figure skate, piano lessons...1000 dollar birthday parties....daily 5 dollar cups of coffee from Starbucks....big screen tvs....internet....wii, playstation

kids don't go outside to play anymore

Mom and dad hand the kids 10 bucks a day for lunch...and themselves.

they have disposable income they just dispose of it before they count it.


I have friends who can't live without two incomes :roll: the amount of money they spend buying crap for themselves and their kids is phenomenal. If they lived within their real means one of them could stay home.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:55 am
 


stemmer stemmer:

Who said that? Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc are free to sell in Japan. Which is only fair since Japan makes it extremely difficult for North American companies to sell in Japan...

As I've asked before BUT many of you will not acknowledge or reply to.... "Why should North America be the dumping grounds for nations which will NOT reciprocate?"...

Again why trade apples for apples when we should be trading apples for oranges...

Life for the working, middle class in North America was MUCH better before we became the dumping market for every other nations products.... The mindset which is fostering this trend must STOP or else North America will be the next third world....


What the hell are you talking about? There are hundreds, if not thousands of North American and European companies operating in Japan.

You can sit and bitch that Camaros, F-150s and Tahoes don't sell there, but that's simply because you don't understand Japan at all. The vast majority of cars on the road are k-jidoshas, which to you would be a sub-sub-compact. Why? Because the roads in Japan are narrow and parking spaces small. Again why? Likely because Japan has FOUR times Canada's entire population (128 million give take a million) living in an area HALF the size of Alberta. And a lot of that land is mountainous to boot. That means there isn't a lot of room for giant trucks, sports cars and SUVs. Yet Japanese cars like the Mitsubishi Lancer and 350Z are kick ass sports cars. Some people do have SUVs, but they are are closer in size to the Rodeo, while pick-ups are far smaller than the average ones here (maybe you remember the old Toyota/Nissan pick-ups of the 80s - those are BIG pick-ups there, most have tiny Daihatsus). There is almost ZERO market for Toyota Tundras in Japan.

A co-worker in Japan bought a Astro Van (a wonderful GM product), because he was a surfer and it was big enough to carry him, his buddies and all their surf boards. But he had huge problems driving down the town's narrow roads, parking it, and getting spare parts for it, which much like parts for Japanese cars here in Canada, were much more expensive than for vehicles made in country.

Same goes for other products that have tried and failed, like the XBox. Japanese gamers play more cooperative games and sports games, while the XBox is geared to FPS shooters and other games that aren't as popular with Japanese gamers.

McDonalds, Coca-Cola, KFC, 7-11, Nortel, Microsoft (software), the Gap, Eddie Bauer, Tommy Hilfiger, Ralph Lauren, Disney, Universal Studios, are just a few of the big North American companies that are HUGE in Japan. Toss in BMW, Nokia, and Mercedes, and there are plenty of European companies there too.

To make it big in Japan, you have to make a product the Japanese like, and they will buy it, and buy it in droves I might add. If you try to force your 'wonderful' product on them, it will backfire, just like Baskin-Robbins' ill-fated attempt to introduce Green Tea ice cream to North Americans in the 90s.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:13 pm
 


stemmer stemmer:
Proculation Proculation:
$1:
I'll give none of my money to off shore companies...

So only western industrialized nations can prosper and have a better quality of life ? That's very selfish.


Who said that? Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc are free to sell in Japan. Which is only fair since Japan makes it extremely difficult for North American companies to sell in Japan...

As I've asked before BUT many of you will not acknowledge or reply to.... "Why should North America be the dumping grounds for nations which will NOT reciprocate?"...

Again why trade apples for apples when we should be trading apples for oranges...

Life for the working, middle class in North America was MUCH better before we became the dumping market for every other nations products.... The mindset which is fostering this trend must STOP or else North America will be the next third world....


Again false statements...
From wikipedia:

$1:
The United States has been Japan's largest economic partner, taking 31.5 percent of its exports, supplying 22.3 percent of its imports, and accounting for 45.9 percent of its direct investment abroad in 1990. As of 2004, the United States takes up 22.7% of Japanese exports, and supplies 14% of its imports (the slack having been picked up by China, which now provides 20.7%).


Wow, very difficult. Japan buys more in the US than the US do in Japan, per percentage.

You speak like if you want an autarky.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:13 pm
 


Resorting to quoting wiki now, hey... Wait a sec and I'll edit the wiki post to say...

$1:
As of 2004, the United States takes up 22.7% of Japanese exports, and supplies 1.4% of its imports (the slack having been picked up by China, which now provides 20.7%).


...so much for the reliability of wiki or the internet... Regardless of my point of view I can always find a source on the internet to backup any outrageous allegations I make...

Shall I start a thread alleging Elvis is alive or the moon landings were fake? I'm sure there are links on the 'net I can post links to... So it must be true...!!!

Dolt!!! Spend more time reading about history and less on the 'net...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:18 pm
 


Again, Fallacious argumentation


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:18 pm
 


Now read the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Background

In the background section I put "Proculation"

See any Dolt can post something to the Wiki. It doesn't make it factual....

And by the way when you pony up to the keyboard to post publicly on the internet it is best to do so sober.


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