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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:58 pm
 


Title: Calgary aircraft laser charges laid
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Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2011-01-28 16:52:53
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:58 pm
 


There has to be some sort of psychological issue with the people who aim these lasers at aircraft.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:07 pm
 


Should carry the same weight as attempted murder, there is little difference.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:11 pm
 


I think you would have a lot of trouble getting that one to stick.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:13 pm
 


True, but I can wish. They are purposely endangering lives and if they actually caused a crash they would be getting murder charges.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:30 pm
 


What's the whole point? Why bother doing this?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:36 pm
 


Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:
There has to be some sort of psychological issue with the people who aim these lasers at aircraft.

Does pure stupidity count?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:50 am
 


jeff744 jeff744:
Should carry the same weight as attempted murder, there is little difference.



little difference? Are you kidding?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:46 am
 


1Peg 1Peg:
jeff744 jeff744:
Should carry the same weight as attempted murder, there is little difference.



little difference? Are you kidding?

That little green laser is capable of blinding a pilot long enough to cause a serious accident (thus killing people), hitting a helicopter is several times worse due to the significantly higher skill and attention level required to fly.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:32 pm
 


jeff744 jeff744:
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jeff744 jeff744:
Should carry the same weight as attempted murder, there is little difference.



little difference? Are you kidding?

That little green laser is capable of blinding a pilot long enough to cause a serious accident (thus killing people), hitting a helicopter is several times worse due to the significantly higher skill and attention level required to fly.



I agree, a helicopter is a huge risk as the windows are large and many helicopters have partial glass floors. An airliner, not so much.

But attempted murder charges? Do drunk drivers get attempted murder charges brought against them? There is a possibility that they could kill someone, but there is no intent to kill. I dunno.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:43 pm
 


Pilots of planes have been struck by lasers before, it can cause permanent eye damage. If the drunk driver started playing chicken with every car he would get more than just a DUI and he only risks a few lives, the guys that point lasers at planes risk hundreds.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:16 pm
 


1Peg 1Peg:
But attempted murder charges? Do drunk drivers get attempted murder charges brought against them? There is a possibility that they could kill someone, but there is no intent to kill. I dunno.

Drunk drivers that kill people don't even get murder charges.


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In Canada, they are charged with "impaired driving causing death," which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment and a minimum sentence of a fine of $1000 dollars. Before people ask, yes, people in Canada have been charged with this and had to pay the fine, although it is the rarest of cases.

About 2/3s of them will do at least some prison time (WARNING: PDF FILE). However, from these links it appears an actual life sentence is rare. Even in cases of multiple injuries and deaths, it is hard to find a sentencing which approaches the double digits. It's been a while since it was last updated, if I remember correctly -- after Chretien killed an updated bill with prorogation as bill C-87, it came back as C-18 before the turn of the millennium and was passed.

Personally, I am for rougher charges when it comes to drunk driving, but I am not too sure on the case described here -- it's not exactly something we hear about often. However, if the person in question knowingly does it to cause harm or knowing it can cause harm, it should be considered as a fairly heinous act to someone in the process of flying a fairly difficult to control vehicle (as could be described for "murder" in the criminal code of Canada as intent). If he inadvertently does it, then there should still be legal repercussions in my mind -- there are legal repercussions for being careless and causing death, and such, and there are legal repercussions for being drunk and breaking the law, if we are still continuing that equivalency which I don't think entirely works. When someone is drunk, they are taking a risk because they are under the influence. In this case, their behaviour is not being dictated by complicating (note that I do not say mitigating) factors.

I guess you could say it depends how it falls into the criminal code. Anyways, "attempted murder" in the Criminal Code of Canada is defined by the following:

Attempt to commit murder
239. Every person who attempts by any means to commit murder is guilty of an indictable offence and liable

(a) where a firearm is used in the commission of the offence, to imprisonment for life and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of four years; and

(b) in any other case, to imprisonment for life.


While murder is defined in the criminal code as:

Murder
229. Culpable homicide is murder

(a) where the person who causes the death of a human being

(i) means to cause his death, or

(ii) means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and is reckless whether death ensues or not;

(b) where a person, meaning to cause death to a human being or meaning to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and being reckless whether death ensues or not, by accident or mistake causes death to another human being, notwithstanding that he does not mean to cause death or bodily harm to that human being; or

(c) where a person, for an unlawful object, does anything that he knows or ought to know is likely to cause death, and thereby causes death to a human being, notwithstanding that he desires to effect his object without causing death or bodily harm to any human being.
Murder is NOT an accident.


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