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Title: Campers swarmed by coyotes near Baddeck, N.S.
Category: Strange
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2012-08-05 23:49:27
Canadian

[martin14]

Willing to bet they had food in the tent...

Coyotes acting like animals, who would have thought ?

[saturn_656]

I don't think too much of Coyotes, whenever I confront them they tend to duck and flee even when possessing the advantage of greater numbers.

Now to the young, weak, sick, or elderly they can pose a significant risk.

[BartSimpson]

saturn_656 wrote:

I don't think too much of Coyotes, whenever I confront them they tend to duck and flee even when possessing the advantage of greater numbers.

Now to the young, weak, sick, or elderly they can pose a significant risk.

That's why we have shotguns. They have a tendency to equalize these kinds of situations.

[herbie]

Bart......... how predictable.
I've been camping since the early 1960s. And never, ever has anyone brought a gun camping. Fishing rods, bathing suits, cameras and the only time you actually eat Spam.
If you bring a gun and camp, you're hunting.

[andyt]

saturn_656 wrote:

I don't think too much of Coyotes, whenever I confront them they tend to duck and flee even when possessing the advantage of greater numbers.

Now to the young, weak, sick, or elderly they can pose a significant risk.

Quote:

Genetic studies reveal that the coyotes of northeastern America — which are bigger than their cousins elsewhere — carry wolf genes that their ancestors picked up through interbreeding. This lupine inheritance has given northeastern coyotes the ability to bring down adult deer — a feat seldom attempted by the smaller coyotes of the west.

The animals that arrived in the northeastern United States and Canada in the 1940s and 50s were significantly larger on average than those on the Great Plains, sometimes topping 16 kilograms. Kays and his colleagues studied the rapid changes in coyote physique by analysing mitochondrial DNA and skull measurements of more than 100 individuals collected in New York state and throughout New England. They found1 that these northeastern coyotes carried genes from Great Lakes wolves, showing that the two species had interbred as the coyotes passed through that region. “Coyotes mated with wolves in the 1800s, when wolf populations were at low density because of human persecution,” says Kays. In those circumstances, wolves had a hard time finding wolf mates, so they settled for coyotes.

Compared with the ancestral coyotes from the plains, the northeastern coyote–wolf hybrids have larger skulls, with more substantial anchoring points for their jaw muscles. Thanks in part to those changes, these beefy coyotes can take down larger prey; they even killed a 19-year-old female hiker in Nova Scotia in 2009. The northeastern coyotes have expanded their range five times faster than coyote populations in the southeastern United States, the members of which encountered no wolves as they journeyed east.

[saturn_656]

andyt wrote:

saturn_656 wrote:

I don't think too much of Coyotes, whenever I confront them they tend to duck and flee even when possessing the advantage of greater numbers.

Now to the young, weak, sick, or elderly they can pose a significant risk.

Quote:

Genetic studies reveal that the coyotes of northeastern America — which are bigger than their cousins elsewhere — carry wolf genes that their ancestors picked up through interbreeding. This lupine inheritance has given northeastern coyotes the ability to bring down adult deer — a feat seldom attempted by the smaller coyotes of the west.

The animals that arrived in the northeastern United States and Canada in the 1940s and 50s were significantly larger on average than those on the Great Plains, sometimes topping 16 kilograms. Kays and his colleagues studied the rapid changes in coyote physique by analysing mitochondrial DNA and skull measurements of more than 100 individuals collected in New York state and throughout New England. They found1 that these northeastern coyotes carried genes from Great Lakes wolves, showing that the two species had interbred as the coyotes passed through that region. “Coyotes mated with wolves in the 1800s, when wolf populations were at low density because of human persecution,” says Kays. In those circumstances, wolves had a hard time finding wolf mates, so they settled for coyotes.

Compared with the ancestral coyotes from the plains, the northeastern coyote–wolf hybrids have larger skulls, with more substantial anchoring points for their jaw muscles. Thanks in part to those changes, these beefy coyotes can take down larger prey; they even killed a 19-year-old female hiker in Nova Scotia in 2009. The northeastern coyotes have expanded their range five times faster than coyote populations in the southeastern United States, the members of which encountered no wolves as they journeyed east.

You're better off treating Coy-wolves as straight up wolves, as they seem to inherit more traits from their wolf genes. Pack up more easily and a little less fearful of human beings.

[BartSimpson]

herbie wrote:

Bart......... how predictable.
I've been camping since the early 1960s. And never, ever has anyone brought a gun camping. Fishing rods, bathing suits, cameras and the only time you actually eat Spam.
If you bring a gun and camp, you're hunting.

If you go camping around large predators and you're not armed then you're food.

[Hyack]

BartSimpson wrote:

herbie wrote:

Bart......... how predictable.
I've been camping since the early 1960s. And never, ever has anyone brought a gun camping. Fishing rods, bathing suits, cameras and the only time you actually eat Spam.
If you bring a gun and camp, you're hunting.

If you go camping around large predators and you're not armed then you're food.

Whenever I'm out camping I always have the Remington 870 with me, that's because it "lives" in the camper. As for the large predators around here, bears, cougars etc. it's not always the four legged predators one has to worry about......

[BartSimpson]

Hyack wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

herbie wrote:

Bart......... how predictable.
I've been camping since the early 1960s. And never, ever has anyone brought a gun camping. Fishing rods, bathing suits, cameras and the only time you actually eat Spam.
If you bring a gun and camp, you're hunting.

If you go camping around large predators and you're not armed then you're food.

Whenever I'm out camping I always have the Remington 870 with me, that's because it "lives" in the camper. As for the large predators around here, bears, cougars etc. it's not always the four legged predators one has to worry about......

True that.

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson wrote:

herbie wrote:

Bart......... how predictable.
I've been camping since the early 1960s. And never, ever has anyone brought a gun camping. Fishing rods, bathing suits, cameras and the only time you actually eat Spam.
If you bring a gun and camp, you're hunting.

If you go camping around large predators and you're not armed then you're food.

A coyote is a large predator? Go get your eyes checked

[BartSimpson]

fifeboy wrote:

A coyote is a large predator? Go get your eyes checked

Go check your facts before you dismiss me as a coyote is large enough.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=sea ... 06&bih=585

While the attacks are infrequent I don't care to add to the statistics of infrequent victims.

[raydan]

If all you manly men are scared enough that you absolutely need to bring a gun when you go out in the woods, may I suggest you stay at home and take up knitting.

[andyt]

saturn_656 wrote:

andyt wrote:

saturn_656 wrote:

I don't think too much of Coyotes, whenever I confront them they tend to duck and flee even when possessing the advantage of greater numbers.

Now to the young, weak, sick, or elderly they can pose a significant risk.

Quote:

Genetic studies reveal that the coyotes of northeastern America — which are bigger than their cousins elsewhere — carry wolf genes that their ancestors picked up through interbreeding. This lupine inheritance has given northeastern coyotes the ability to bring down adult deer — a feat seldom attempted by the smaller coyotes of the west.

The animals that arrived in the northeastern United States and Canada in the 1940s and 50s were significantly larger on average than those on the Great Plains, sometimes topping 16 kilograms. Kays and his colleagues studied the rapid changes in coyote physique by analysing mitochondrial DNA and skull measurements of more than 100 individuals collected in New York state and throughout New England. They found1 that these northeastern coyotes carried genes from Great Lakes wolves, showing that the two species had interbred as the coyotes passed through that region. “Coyotes mated with wolves in the 1800s, when wolf populations were at low density because of human persecution,” says Kays. In those circumstances, wolves had a hard time finding wolf mates, so they settled for coyotes.

Compared with the ancestral coyotes from the plains, the northeastern coyote–wolf hybrids have larger skulls, with more substantial anchoring points for their jaw muscles. Thanks in part to those changes, these beefy coyotes can take down larger prey; they even killed a 19-year-old female hiker in Nova Scotia in 2009. The northeastern coyotes have expanded their range five times faster than coyote populations in the southeastern United States, the members of which encountered no wolves as they journeyed east.

You're better off treating Coy-wolves as straight up wolves, as they seem to inherit more traits from their wolf genes. Pack up more easily and a little less fearful of human beings.

We've had very few wolf incidents in BC. The one I recall involved a wolf trying to pull a camper (kid?) out of his tent by his toe. It may have had something to do with the camper feeding the wolf wieners earlier. I'm not aware of any wolf killings of humans in BC For an effective predator that can bring down moose, wolves are remarkably hesitant to attack humans. Coyotes may be more dangerous because they don't seem to have the same fear of man.

[andyt]

raydan wrote:

If all you manly men are scared enough that you absolutely need to bring a gun when you go out in the woods, may I suggest you stay at home and take up knitting.

I'm more worried about the manly men with the guns in the woods. I've done a lot of backcountry travel when I was younger, including in grizzly country. Never had a problem.