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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:53 pm
 


Title: Canada loses economic lead among G7 as growth continues to slow: report | CTV News
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Date: 2013-07-30 11:34:54
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:53 pm
 


Need to pick up our socks.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:57 pm
 


You know what Canada needs now, more than ever? More immigrants from the Third World! Why that's a surefire plan to get an economy humming! :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:06 pm
 


I'm not convinced that economic growth should be on our list of priorities.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:17 pm
 


Lemmy Lemmy:
I'm not convinced that economic growth should be on our list of priorities.


What should be on there instead?


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saturn_656 saturn_656:
Lemmy Lemmy:
I'm not convinced that economic growth should be on our list of priorities.


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Wresting control of Hans Island from the damnable Danes! PDT_Armataz_01_40


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:42 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Lemmy Lemmy:
I'm not convinced that economic growth should be on our list of priorities.


What should be on there instead?


Wresting control of Hans Island from the damnable Danes! PDT_Armataz_01_40


http://www.hansislandliberationfront.com/

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:43 pm
 


we need growth for revenue.....if the tax base shrinks, there'll have to be cuts, and increases in taxes on those already carrying a ridiculous tax burden. Lemmy might be able to weather that with ease, with his six figure tenured position, but a lot of other folk can't.


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Not having growth doesn't mean negative growth. Maintaining the current level of economic activity (economy-wide) just means maintaining the same standard of living. That's not going to shrink the tax base. And I DREAM of tenure.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:00 pm
 


We need the GDP to exceed the rate of inflation. As it is our economy is making the rock cycle look like an Olympic sprinter. Sideways markets and things like that don't inspire consumer confidence.


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The thing that most inspires confidence is stability, not growth. The whole justification for having economists in the world (other than the entertainment factor) is to flatten the business cycle, remove its swings.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:47 pm
 


A lower dollar and higher consumer demand from our neighbours to the South should perk up our economy some ... if there is any manufacturing left, here, that is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:52 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Lemmy Lemmy:
I'm not convinced that economic growth should be on our list of priorities.


What should be on there instead?


Wresting control of Hans Island from the damnable Danes! PDT_Armataz_01_40



Yes! ... those perfidious Danes! There is no end to their planetary ambitions of conquest! ... Lego blocks popping up everywhere poisoning our children's minds and ruining the soles of my feet!





PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:05 pm
 


Ironically, economy may turn out to be one of Harper government’s biggest failures
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Stephen Harper’s Conservatives pride themselves on managing the economy.

Oddly enough, the economy may turn out to be one of his government’s biggest failures.

This is not to diminish the real strengths that Canada has displayed during the worst slump since the 1930s. When the prime minister boasts that this country has fared better than the United States, he is correct.

Nor has the Conservatives’ overall approach to government finances been insane. Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty may talk tough about the need for other governments to practice brutal fiscal austerity. Yet their approach at home has been more nuanced than that of, say, Britain’s slash-and-burn, centre-right, coalition government.

But the secret truth of this recession is that Ottawa hasn’t had much to do with Canada’s relatively good fortune. Rather it has been our natural resources that—up to this point—have pulled us through.

As long as countries like China are willing to pay top dollar for petroleum and other commodities, the countries that possess such resources do well. Australia, a resource economy governed by the leftish Labor Party, has survived the Great Recession as handily as Conservative-run Canada.

To put it another way, Canada would probably be at about the same place today in terms of jobs and growth if the Liberals or New Democrats had been in power since 2008.

The Harper government’s failure is longer-term. It still operates under the assumption that free trade and free markets will conquer all. This is an old model. It is out of date. True, the Great Depression of the 1930s was aggravated because there were too many barriers to the free movement of labour, goods and capital. But the Great Recession of the 21st century is aggravated by the fact that there are too few.

This is the lesson of the crippled eurozone. It is also the lesson of Japan, which started to do better only after it elected a nationalist (and right-wing) government willing to challenge trade orthodoxy.

Canada’s Conservatives, however, remain focused on Quixotic, old-style projects that seem doomed to fail.

Free trade? Harper wants a deal with Europe. But it looks like he can now win that pact only by giving away more than most Canadians with a stake in the project are willing to cede.

Canada has joined talks for the so-called Trans-Pacific Partnership. In theory, this sounds impressive. But should these talks succeed (and that is uncertain) they would require Canada to give up agricultural subsidy programs that remain popular in Ontario and Quebec.

In return, Canada would have market access to countries with which it already has trade deals (such as the U.S. and Mexico), countries that currently buy many of our resources duty-free (such as Japan) and countries that don't count (such as New Zealand).

Free markets? Here the Harper government has focused on pipelines.

The Keystone XL pipeline was supposed to bring Canadian oilsands crude to the U.S. But now that they have discovered their own shale oil, the Americans need far less Canadian petroleum. In a New York Times interview published Sunday, U.S. President Barack Obama again hinted he might not approve Keystone.

Meanwhile, the proposed Enbridge Gateway pipeline from Alberta to the British Columbia coast appears stillborn. B.C.’s provincial government is opposed, as are First Nations along the route—all of whom have the capacity to tie up the project in court.

Jobs? The Harper government’s free-market solution has been to erode wages and import cheap temporary foreign labour, all the while allowing Canadian firms to outsource good jobs overseas.

Politically, this is unsustainable.

So yes, Harper and his government have seen us through some bad years.

They could have made matters far worse but didn’t. In a roundabout way, they deserve credit for this.

But their overall plans for the economy are based on stale assumptions.

What they do not understand is that the Great Recession is changing everything, politically as well as economically.

At some point, the Chinese won’t want to pay top dollar for oil. At some point, the Americans will conclude that jobs at home trump trade deals abroad. Then what do we do?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:09 pm
 


Okay, I have to ask-why is our GDP growth rate so small? I keep reading about annual GDP growth of numbers anywhere from 1-2% annually, with any more than that being cause for celebration. That doesn't seem like very much in the way of growth.

Do countries with much higher annual growths in GDP just have lower bases to work off, or are they consistently being more productive than us? Does economic growth tend to be slower in first-world economies than it is in in places like the BRIC countries, which are only now coming into their own?


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