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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:47 am
 


Title: Canada's man in Beijing says Huawei's Meng has 'strong case.' That puts Trudeau in a bind
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Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2019-01-24 05:04:08
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You know if I undercut my boss like this halfwit, I'd be out a job... This guy needs to be removed from his post.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:51 am
 


She does have a good case but he shouldn’t have pointed that out. In future, we should avoid getting involved in spats between these countries unless our own vital national interests are involved. The Americans started this mess and have stood aside since.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:00 am
 


Sunnyways wrote:
The Americans started this mess and have stood aside since.


Which is exactly why McCallum should have done what he did. Placate the Chinese. She has a chance to defend herself in court, something she wouldn't have if these charges were political.

And he rightly pointed out that Canada does not have any sort of sanctions against Iran, so that angle isn't going to work in our courts.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:09 am
 


More here....

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly- ... s-mccallum


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DrCaleb wrote:
Sunnyways wrote:
The Americans started this mess and have stood aside since.


Which is exactly why McCallum should have done what he did. Placate the Chinese. She has a chance to defend herself in court, something she wouldn't have if these charges were political.

And he rightly pointed out that Canada does not have any sort of sanctions against Iran, so that angle isn't going to work in our courts.


I guess one legal question is whether fraud arising from another country’s sanctions law should be treated like any other fraud. Obviously, the Yanks went after her for fraud rather than sanctions-busting to get round this problem.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:20 am
 


Meanwhile, Canada has a solid case for declaring the Govt of the PRC to be a criminal organization. They've already openly admitted their complicity in the illegal flow of fentanyl into Canada. They are in fact using it as leverage to try and get a police liaison installed in the Chinese consulate in Vancouver, among other political concessions.

Tell the fuckers we'll give them Meng back when and ONLY when they cut off the illegal flow of fentanyl into Canada.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:50 am
 


Sunnyways wrote:
She does have a good case but he shouldn’t have pointed that out. In future, we should avoid getting involved in spats between these countries unless our own vital national interests are involved. The Americans started this mess and have stood aside since.


Feel free to withdraw from the extradition treaty.


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Until we see the US's formal request for extradition this is all just supposition. If the request states a legal case for fraud then, the Americans stand a very good chance of getting her extradited, if it doesn't then she'll walk.

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But experts said the most important part of Meng's defence in her extradition case is whether her actions in the U.S. would also be considered criminal conduct in Canada, known as the "principle of double criminality."

McCallum suggested that Meng's case may not meet that principle, as she is being accused of violating U.S. sanctions against Iran that Canada did not sign on to.

"That plays a significant role," said Weinstein. "If [Meng's] conduct is, in fact, a violation of sanctions [and] we don't subscribe to those sanctions, and don't have an offence of that nature here in Canada, … arguably it could then be advanced that she ought not to be extradited because there is no similar conduct here that's criminal."

Toronto lawyer Leo Adler agreed that the "major legal question" regarding Meng's extradition case is whether there is an equivalent crime in Canada to the one in which she is accused.

"She has a case," he said.

But Weinstein said the U.S. seems to have characterized Meng's actions as fraud, which arguably may allow her to be extradited.

"You have to see what the actual conduct is," he said.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/john-mcc ... -1.4989670

I would hope not but, by saying that she has a case not to be extradited without actually seeing the extradition request means Canadian Officials may be setting the stage for her release whether the charges warrant it or not.


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BartSimpson wrote:
Sunnyways wrote:
She does have a good case but he shouldn’t have pointed that out. In future, we should avoid getting involved in spats between these countries unless our own vital national interests are involved. The Americans started this mess and have stood aside since.


Feel free to withdraw from the extradition treaty.


Not necessary. Creative incompetence would have sufficed in such a politically sensitive and legally dubious case. Next time you’re going to pull a stunt like this, back us up.


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Sunnyways wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Sunnyways wrote:
She does have a good case but he shouldn’t have pointed that out. In future, we should avoid getting involved in spats between these countries unless our own vital national interests are involved. The Americans started this mess and have stood aside since.


Feel free to withdraw from the extradition treaty.


Not necessary. Creative incompetence would have sufficed in such a politically sensitive and legally dubious case. Next time you’re going to pull a stunt like this, back us up.

And Canada is Creatively Incompetent. This ill advised bit of stupidity proves it. However, McCallum had no right to pipe up and open his yap.


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And Canada is Creatively Incompetent. This ill advised bit of stupidity proves it. However, McCallum had no right to pipe up and open his yap.


When you elect clowns, expect a circus.


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llama66 wrote:

And Canada is Creatively Incompetent. This ill advised bit of stupidity proves it. However, McCallum had no right to pipe up and open his yap.


When you elect clowns, expect a circus.

That's wrong. Circuses are entertaining. This is like a collection of Pierrots. This shit makes me want to cut myself.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:47 pm
 


Yeah he shouldn't have opened his mouth and stated the obvious. He didn't need to, the Chinese already knew all that. Ya know, cuz they're way smarter than is N Americans, we're too stoopid to read Chinese coding and remove Hauwei hacks and all that.
It was for the benefit of Canadians, who hadn't already figured out what grounds they'd fight the extradition order on. The ones who want to indulge in Scheer Madness and escalate things instead of settling them.


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