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Title: Canada's youngest killer 'making progress' in therapy
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2009-02-27 17:12:02
Canadian

[mtbr]

sounds like he'll be free in a couple of months!

[RUEZ]

Aww that's nice. How's his victim doing?

[ShepherdsDog]

Quote:

Last fall, the girl's sentence review was adjourned pending more information. At that October hearing, it was revealed she was doing well in therapy, but had a "failure to internalize" — a term experts say generally means a lack of remorse.

This crime screams psychopath, and there is no treatment for this extreme form, or any other form of sociopathy. They can only be locked away for life to protect society.

[TattoodGirl]

Oh but Shep, she was only a baby, yes 15 year old baby, but just a child manipulated by an older male...she will grow out of her sociopath tendencies and go on to give this world the joy of her psychopathic spawn.

She should have been tried as an adult and treated accordingly.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ wrote:

Aww that's nice. How's his victim doing?

You mean "she". The story is about the 12 year old girl, now 15. He was an adult and got life with no chance for parole for 25 years.

She'll spend her entire teenage life behind bars and be scared for life.

If our justice system is to be devoid of any possibility for rehabilitation, and a 12 year old fits that description, then we might as well have the death penalty mandatory for all serious crimes. Afterall why waste money housing and feeding them.

Works in all the places we want to invade so it must be OK.

[DerbyX]

TattoodGirl wrote:

Oh but Shep, she was only a baby, yes 15 year old baby, but just a child manipulated by an older male...she will grow out of her sociopath tendencies and go on to give this world the joy of her psychopathic spawn.

She should have been tried as an adult and treated accordingly.

I think in this case a 12 year old girl just might have been just like that.

Had she not been complicit in the murder of her family but instead been found shacking up with him in a sexual relationship (which was the case anyway) no matter much she professed her love for him and insisted it was her choice we would have blamed him entirely and charged him with statutory rape.

If they are too young to make the legal choice to drink, drive, or even willingly enter into sexual relationships with whomever they choose then we must also accept the fact they aren't adult enough to make other choices and be held accountable.

I doubt any one here is making the argument that kids that age should be legally allowed to make such choices.

[TattoodGirl]

At twelve, a child knows right from wrong. At 15 and after three years of intense therapy and no sign of remorse, shows the sign of socio all over her....not everyone is born good.

A triple brutal murder cant be compared to those examples.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

Aww that's nice. How's his victim doing?

You mean "she". The story is about the 12 year old girl, now 15. He was an adult and got life with no chance for parole for 25 years.

She'll spend her entire teenage life behind bars and be scared for life.

If our justice system is to be devoid of any possibility for rehabilitation, and a 12 year old fits that description, then we might as well have the death penalty mandatory for all serious crimes. Afterall why waste money housing and feeding them.

Works in all the places we want to invade so it must be OK.

My bad, I assumed he. If we can guarantee guilt without a doubt I would be willing to support bringing back the death penalty. It's that little mistaken conviction part that screws it up. And last but not least, which countries do we want to invade?

[Yogi]

Curing psychopaths one at a time!

[poquas]

I don't believe for a second this girl is ever going to be released without risk of re-offending. I'm sure she'll learn to appear remorseful as she progresses through her therapy, but I too believe her to be a classic sociopath. I think she’d kill again given the right circumstances.

[DerbyX]

TattoodGirl wrote:

At twelve, a child knows right from wrong. At 15 and after three years of intense therapy and no sign of remorse, shows the sign of socio all over her....not everyone is born good.

A triple brutal murder cant be compared to those examples.

Only to a degree. Yes she did know that killing was wrong but at 12 you can be easily lead astray or not fully understand the ramifications of your actions.

Recently there was a child pron bust which freed a 4 year old boy and a 12 year old girl but charged a 14 year old. Was the 12 year old a willing participant? Wasn't the 14 year old a victim as well? The awful cycle of such child abuse is that often the child comes to believe such behaviour is normal yet a 14 year old got charged? I think he/her was every bit a victim as the others.

Child violence is a difficult issue. I believe that virtually all children can be rehabilitated to the point of entering society but even I admit that sometimes the crime is simply too horrific. The murder of James Bulger for instance.

We are talking children and its obvious why our society errs on the side of rehabilitation as possible.

[CanadianJeff]

RUEZ wrote:

Aww that's nice. How's his victim doing?

Simple and yet ouch. Well said.

Derbyx wrote:

Recently there was a child pron bust which freed a 4 year old boy and a 12 year old girl but charged a 14 year old. Was the 12 year old a willing participant? Wasn't the 14 year old a victim as well? The awful cycle of such child abuse is that often the child comes to believe such behaviour is normal yet a 14 year old got charged? I think he/her was every bit a victim as the others.

That would normally be my reaction as well but I'm sure the cops must have had some reason. Maybe the 14 year old is the one who kidnapped one of the younger kids or something. I'd like to look into it if you have any further details or a news story or anything.

[poquas]

Yogi wrote:

Curing pyschopaths one at a time!

In my opinion most psychopaths can be treated, sociopaths can't.

[DerbyX]

RUEZ wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

Aww that's nice. How's his victim doing?

You mean "she". The story is about the 12 year old girl, now 15. He was an adult and got life with no chance for parole for 25 years.

She'll spend her entire teenage life behind bars and be scared for life.

If our justice system is to be devoid of any possibility for rehabilitation, and a 12 year old fits that description, then we might as well have the death penalty mandatory for all serious crimes. Afterall why waste money housing and feeding them.

Works in all the places we want to invade so it must be OK.

My bad, I assumed he. If we can guarantee guilt without a doubt I would be willing to support bringing back the death penalty. It's that little mistaken conviction part that screws it up. And last but not least, which countries do we want to invade?

I'm sure we can both agree that there is a mountain of difference between the (at the time) 12 year old girl and the 22 year old man.