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BartSimpson wrote:

sandorski wrote:

BS. NRA is fail.

You only wish.

We won in the US Supreme Court this year and we've got 34 states with concealed carry who didn't have it ten years ago.

We're winning and it's your side that's losing this battle.

We don't live in the USA....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... rss_nation

Pa. Police Say 11-Year-Old Killed Father's Girlfriend

By Ramit Plushnick-Masti
Associated Press
Sunday, February 22, 2009; Page A08

WAMPUM, Pa., Feb. 21 -- An 11-year-old boy fatally shot his father's pregnant girlfriend in the back of the head, then got on the school bus and went to school, authorities said Saturday.

Jordan Brown was charged Saturday as an adult in the death of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk, who was eight months pregnant, Lawrence County District Attorney John Bongivengo said at a news conference.

Jordan, the son of Houk's live-in boyfriend, was charged with criminal homicide and criminal homicide of an unborn child, Bongivengo said.

He was being held in Lawrence County Jail.

The fifth-grader was picked up from his western Pennsylvania school Friday by Pennsylvania State Police. They found Houk's body in bed after her 4-year-old daughter told tree cutters on the property that she thought her mother was dead, Bongivengo said.

The victim's 7-year-old daughter implicated the boy in the killing, Bongivengo said.


"She didn't actually eyewitness the shooting. She saw him with what she believed to be a shotgun and heard a loud bang," Bongivengo said, adding that the weapon, a youth model 20-gauge shotgun, was found in what police believed was the boy's bedroom.

The shotgun, which apparently belonged to Jordan, is designed for children, and such weapons do not have to be registered, Bongivengo said.

Bongivengo would not say whether the boy confessed to the shooting.

Jordan's attorney, Dennis Elisco, said the evidence points to the gunshot wound being "consistent" with the boy's hunting gun, but he wanted to see stronger proof that it was Jordan's.

"I believe Jordan did not do this, and I'm looking forward to seeing the physical evidence to see if it matches with what I think happened," he said Saturday after meeting with the boy in jail.

Houk's family and friends, who gathered at her parents' house Saturday night, said she had problems with the boy.

"There was an issue with jealousy. He told my son stuff," said Houk's brother-in-law, Jason Kraner, 34. "He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her."

Elisco said that he met Saturday with the boy's father, Christopher Brown, and that he planned to file a motion to have the boy released on bail and move the case to juvenile court.

Elisco and police said they know of no motive for the shooting.

The attorney said there was no indication the boy had conflicts with Houk.

A preliminary hearing is set for Thursday.

The rural community of Wampum is about 35 miles northwest of Pittsburgh.

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fifeboy wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

sandorski wrote:

BS. NRA is fail.

You only wish.

We won in the US Supreme Court this year and we've got 34 states with concealed carry who didn't have it ten years ago.

We're winning and it's your side that's losing this battle.

Where? The U.S.A. has the right to enact and enforce laws as they see fit. Canada also has that right. The gun lobby in this country (just to get it straight Bart--Canada) needs to understand that the majority of people in Canada are in favour of gun control. Our job, as "lawful gunowners who actually obay the law" should be to try to work with the government to reduce gun crime. The registary was an attempt, perhaps a poor one, to control gun crime in Canada. Now we have Harper's attempts. I say give them a chance. Something seems to have to be done. Calls by Canadian "gun nuts" for things like concealed carry laws are just going to make the average joe the outhouse cleaner mad and ready to pass much more restrictive laws.

an articulate and intelligent response.

Bravo!

[snuggles61]

fifeboy wrote:

A Firearms License, either Possession Only or Acquisition is required to purchase ammunition in Canada.

Don't know about every gun shop but TNT guns sell ammo without making you produce your license. And at the last gun show here in Regina I bought two rounds of 41 cal rimfire also without producing anything, could that be because it's obsolete ammo? Can't say for sure. But here's a juicy tidbit of info for those who'd like to have a functional handgun totally unrestricted and perfectly legal. You can buy antique pistols(have to predate 1898 and shoot only rimfire with 22cal being the exception. So this gives you the option of buying say a remington over and under derringer that uses 41 cal rimfire ammo or another nice selection would be either a derringer or revolver that shoots 32 rimfire. But here's where you take the good with the bad, these guns are very expensive(500$ and up)as well as the ammo for them(80-200$ for a box of 50). The 32 rimfire is a bit more lethal than the 41. In fact the 41 has a muzzle velocity of 600ft/s making it just a tad more lethal than a pellet gun.

[fifeboy]

snuggles61 wrote:

fifeboy wrote:

A Firearms License, either Possession Only or Acquisition is required to purchase ammunition in Canada.

Don't know about every gun shop but TNT guns sell ammo without making you produce your license.

They should.

snuggles61 wrote:

And at the last gun show here in Regina I bought two rounds of 41 cal rimfire also without producing anything, could that be because it's obsolete ammo? Can't say for sure. But here's a juicy tidbit of info for those who'd like to have a functional handgun totally unrestricted and perfectly legal. You can buy antique pistols(have to predate 1898 and shoot only rimfire with 22cal being the exception. So this gives you the option of buying say a remington over and under derringer that uses 41 cal rimfire ammo or another nice selection would be either a derringer or revolver that shoots 32 rimfire. But here's where you take the good with the bad, these guns are very expensive(500$ and up)as well as the ammo for them(80-200$ for a box of 50). The 32 rimfire is a bit more lethal than the 41. In fact the 41 has a muzzle velocity of 600ft/s making it just a tad more lethal than a pellet gun.

I just don't know.

[ridenrain]

Rimfires can't be reloaded so what you got there are gen-u-ine antiques. Even if it did fire, you'd be hooped to do anything with it.

It used to be that black powder arms in the US weren't classed like that either but I think that was only for flint or wheel-locks. You percussion cap folks are cheaters.
None of that helps Canadians. Our government is relentless in disarming us.

I read a good story in the weekend vancouver Sun that sold how it was almost impossible to convict punks with guns found in the car. Only if he was seen driving with the gun in his hand could he be convicted. If it was under the seat, trunk or even on the floor, those "progressive" BC judges would say that he might not have known about it.

Try that excuse next time you throw a half full beer in the back seat at a roadblock.

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ridenrain wrote:

Rimfires can't be reloaded so what you got there are gen-u-ine antiques. Even if it did fire, you'd be hooped to do anything with it.

It used to be that black powder arms in the US weren't classed like that either but I think that was only for flint or wheel-locks. You percussion cap folks are cheaters.
None of that helps Canadians. Our government is relentless in disarming us.

I read a good story in the weekend vancouver Sun that sold how it was almost impossible to convict punks with guns found in the car. Only if he was seen driving with the gun in his hand could he be convicted. If it was under the seat, trunk or even on the floor, those "progressive" BC judges would say that he might not have known about it.

Try that excuse next time you throw a half full beer in the back seat at a roadblock.

I've seen one youtube vid with a guy shooting a remington derringer but I do see where you're coming from for the simple reason ALL antique gun shops make the disclaimer that they aren't intended for actual shooting ergo they aren't responsible for what might happen. However some sellers on gunbroker.com advertise their antique handguns as "good shooters". It also should be kept in mind that these are guns well over a 100 years old so personally I wouldn't want to try it myself.

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ridenrain wrote:

Rimfires can't be reloaded so what you got there are gen-u-ine antiques. Even if it did fire, you'd be hooped to do anything with it.

It used to be that black powder arms in the US weren't classed like that either but I think that was only for flint or wheel-locks. You percussion cap folks are cheaters.
None of that helps Canadians. Our government is relentless in disarming us.

I read a good story in the weekend vancouver Sun that sold how it was almost impossible to convict punks with guns found in the car. Only if he was seen driving with the gun in his hand could he be convicted. If it was under the seat, trunk or even on the floor, those "progressive" BC judges would say that he might not have known about it.

Try that excuse next time you throw a half full beer in the back seat at a roadblock.

And it may interest you that a member of parliament somewhere in rural Sk want's to initiate the defeat of C-68(have to see that to actually believe it).

[ridenrain]

I think I may be on another wavelength here but I'm on a roll.. downhill maybe but still a roll.

It wasn't the firearm that I was worried about but the ammunition.
Anything other that .22 rimfire hasn't been made for ages and any ammo you buy is definately not something I'd want to trust to work when it has to.

Because the rim of a rimfire forms the anvil for the primer, once it's fired, it's gone so it has no reload value. I suppose it's possible to re-manufacture some pinfire brass to use a percussion cap and reload it but..

[ridenrain]

Ripcat: You fail.

To compress you're post.


sandorski: NRA = Bad.
BartSimpson: NRA = America : Canada good.
Ripcat: America not equal Canada
.. then you paste in a pointless American story.
Wow. That made such a point, I'll tell my kids about it.

[uwish]

Bill 301 is the private members bill to eliminate the gun registry. It does not repeal C-68 but it does remove registration requirements for non-restricted firearms. It also allows for 10 year licensing and a 2 year grace period for renewal after license expiration. It also removes ATT's and combines it with a restricted license.

Nothing else changes though.

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ridenrain wrote:

Ripcat: You fail.

To compress you're post.


sandorski: NRA = Bad.
BartSimpson: NRA = America : Canada good.
Ripcat: America not equal Canada
.. then you paste in a pointless American story.
Wow. That made such a point, I'll tell my kids about it.

If it's so pointless then you can share with us the reasons why you felt it necessary to respond to it.