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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:20 pm
 


Title: Canadian hostage John Ridsdel confirmed dead as police find severed head in Southern Philippines | National Post
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Date: 2016-04-25 11:43:22
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:20 pm
 


It's ok though because Justin is outraged.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:27 pm
 


Why is he so outraged about a simple murder ?

It's not like this has anything to with Islamic terrorism.

Because, you know, that just doesn't exist.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:49 am
 


Really interested to see which way this thread goes. how many will say Canada should have paid the ransom vs those who say a rescue should have been executed [popcorn] .


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:03 am
 


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Really interested to see which way this thread goes. how many will say Canada should have paid the ransom vs those who say a rescue should have been executed [popcorn] .


He was dumb enough to hang out in a third world country.

Take the chance, pay the price.


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Wolf1412 wrote:
Really interested to see which way this thread goes. how many will say Canada should have paid the ransom vs those who say a rescue should have been executed [popcorn] .

No, you can't pay a ransom. Then you've just created a business model for kidnapping Canadians. I'd like to know what if anything was done at all.


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Really interested to see which way this thread goes. how many will say Canada should have paid the ransom vs those who say a rescue should have been executed [popcorn] .

No, you can't pay a ransom. Then you've just created a business model for kidnapping Canadians. I'd like to know what if anything was done at all.


Sure, they would have talked to the Phillipine govt. But what exactly can they do besides talk. The Phillipine govt doesn't want to do much becasue it would strengthen the hand of an opponed running for pres and highlight the problems in the area. This is a small group of terrorists. Go in all heavy handed and start killing the population you just create more terrorists. So what exactly is Canada supposed to do in all this mess? Bascially you go to an area like this, you're on your own. And the guy killed was not naive, he was working for a mining company in the area for years. He had training in how to avoid being kidnapped. Guess he let his guard down.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:10 am
 


I found this article on Facebook and it paints a different picture from what has been past practices and for the record, Trudeau is the first Canadian PM to have a hostage killed on his watch.

Well done Mr. Prime Minister. :roll:

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Following Trudeau’s unequivocal we-don’t-pay-ransom remarks, Pardy appeared on CBC’s Power and Politic and told host Terry Miliewski that ransom had been paid in more than 100 hostage cases during his tenure with consular services, and that 68-year-old John Ridsdel is the first Canadian hostage to be killed by his captors.


http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... when-we-do

So either Mr. Trudeau was misinformed about how the world really works or he's instituted a new get tough policy on paying ransoms to Islamic terrorists that nobody else adheres to which, is rather odd since he's the guy who is unwilling to fight them.

It's easy to play tough guy when it's not your life on the line but, if he'd put half as much effort and support into getting John Ridsdel's release as he did for Omar Khadr's he'd likely still be alive.

Even the CBC says this policy isn't going to help keep Canadians safe which means we just lost a citizen because someone wanted to look tough on terror.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/john-ridsdel-kid ... -1.3553712


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:23 am
 


So we have been paying out. Wonderful. :roll:


I knew the Italians were happy payers, also the Belgians. There have been enough articles about it in Europe.

Had always hoped we different. Guess not.


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Even the CBC says this policy isn't going to help keep Canadians safe


I would rather not pay and not support the terrorists to keep doing it.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:25 am
 


I'm with Martin on this one. Even if it isn't habitual practice to kidnap Canadians for ransom yet, you don't want foreign enemies getting the idea.

Even if that wasn't a concern, I'm curious what the ransom price was. Is a single life really worth the costs?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:57 am
 


Notley seemed more outraged than Trudeau.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:23 am
 


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/world ... rates.html

U.S. Swoops In to Free 2 From Pirates in Somali Raid

I know two of the guys on this op and the key points were:

1. None of the Somali pirates at or near the scene survived the encounter.

2. The hostages were surrounded by twelve armed pirates at the time the engagement started and all twelve were dead on the ground in less than two seconds.

3. The Danish hostage was reported to have said, "I was lucky to have been kidnapped with an American." That's because he knew his own country wasn't going to try to save him.

And that's how you deal with these fuckers. You don't negotiate with them, you go in and kill every last one of the cocksuckers and then you napalm their fucking village/town/city as a lesson to everyone else not to fuck with your citizens.


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And that's how you deal with these fuckers. You don't negotiate with them, you go in and kill every last one of the cocksuckers and then you napalm their fucking village/town/city as a lesson to everyone else not to fuck with your citizens.

And then you wonder why you have problem with terrorism.


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Lemmy wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
And that's how you deal with these fuckers. You don't negotiate with them, you go in and kill every last one of the cocksuckers and then you napalm their fucking village/town/city as a lesson to everyone else not to fuck with your citizens.

And then you wonder why you have problem with terrorism.


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When the Second Punic War war ended, the remaining 50,000 Carthaginians, a small part of the original pre-war population, were, as was the normal fate in antiquity of inhabitants of sacked cities, sold into slavery by the victors. Carthage was systematically burned for 17 days; the city's walls and buildings were utterly destroyed. The remaining Carthaginian territories were annexed by Rome and reconstituted to become the Roman province of Africa.


Yet you wonder why we have no problem with the Carthaginians. :idea:


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That's probably why the Roman Empire continues to dominate the world to this day. :wink:


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