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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:13 pm
 




Now it will be a civil war between the Taliban and ISIS-K. Getting the hell out now means we are not caught in the middle and this is why delaying the exit date was NEVER viable.


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Getting a little pissed at all this anti-Trudeau and anti-Canadian press. The PM, the Cabinet and even Biden had no fucking idea Afghanistan would collapse faster then a house of cards, Neither did any of the people criticizing the evacuation.
Could have at best started a few days earlier - but that country was over faster than Canada could find where it's two planes were even parked....


Agreed.

Yes the government could have started sooner, maybe sometime after Biden announced the withdrawal in late April, but the fact is that almost nobody expected the Afghan Army to fold up like that.

The fact is any 'withdrawal' should have been underway once we left the country in 2014, but the previous government made it clear it wanted nothing to do with the translators and other Afghans who helped Canada while we were still there. By the time Trudeau was elected, Syria took most of our focus away from Afghanistan, which was followed by other scandals and crises.

There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone, not just the Liberals.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:25 pm
 


I would add that the criticism of Biden are not as warranted as those of Trudeau. Biden MADE a choice, and a hard one at that and stood by it. Trudeau couldn't even do that.

He sent Sajjan out instead.


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bootlegga bootlegga:
There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone, not just the Liberals.



The buck stops with the PM. No one else get a say. He does not get a dodge here.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:27 pm
 


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bootlegga bootlegga:
There is plenty of blame to go around for everyone, not just the Liberals.



The buck stops with the PM. No one else get a say. He does not get a dodge here.


Based on that logic, Harper deserves condemnation, because his government made it nearly impossible for Afghan interpreters to come to Canada after we wound down combat actions.

My point is that, like all things military in Canada, both parties and a host of people are to blame for the mess we're currently in.

Yes, Trudeau should have expedited the process and he deserves a lot of blame for dragging his feet, especially after Biden's announcement in April, but this clusterfuck falls on many shoulders, not just JT's.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:52 pm
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
Yes, Trudeau should have expedited the process and he deserves a lot of blame for dragging his feet, especially after Biden's announcement in April, but this clusterfuck falls on many shoulders, not just JT's.



Sorry, no. The writing was on the wall for those who get briefings and pay attention in 2019 when Trump had Pompeo sign a formal agreement with the Taliban and excluded the Afghanistan government to the talks. They should have made the briefing labeled Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US Get the fuck out marines we are LEAVING.


This TOTAL ABDICATION OF RESPONABLITY is a hallmark of the Trudeau liberals. Sajjan is just a symptom of this disease. Unfit to lead.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:12 pm
 


Justin Trudeau's broken promise to our Afghanistan allies humiliates Canada
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A day after Trudeau promised not to abandon our citizens and allies to the brutality Islamic extremists, we bugged out

Usually it takes more than just 30 hours for Justin Trudeau to break a promise.

He eventually ends up breaking most of his them – especially the big, consequential ones like electoral reform and clean water for First Nations. But a little over a day has to be something of a new land-speed record.

Tuesday, after he had had a virtual summit with the other G7 leaders, Trudeau promised Canada would stay past the Aug. 31 deadline that the Taliban have said is a “red line” for Western troops to leave Afghanistan.

“We’re going to continue to work every single day … to save as many people as possible,” Trudeau pledged. “Our commitment to Afghanistan doesn’t end when this current phase, this current deadline comes. We will continue to put pressure on the Taliban to allow people to leave the country.”

And then, just over a day after his buttery assurance, Canada was gone.

Global Affairs Canada and National Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan yanked our remaining soldiers and diplomats. In the middle of the night, the last Canadian rescue flight took off from Kabul.

A day after Trudeau promised not to abandon our citizens and allies to the brutality Islamic extremists, we bugged out.

How cynical does Trudeau have to be? How completely clueless and blind to the horrors of Afghanistan’s returning zealots?

He must have known there was a good chance we’d be gone the next day. Yet there he was giving false hope to the thousands of desperate Canadian citizens and permanent residents, interpreters, suppliers, employees, families and refugees we had promised to get to safety.

Trudeau’s actions are disgusting and shameful.

In the first place, how did he ever imagine Canada would be able to stay a minute longer than Aug. 31 when the U.S. Marines guarding the Karzai airport were scheduled to leave? How could he promise to stand by all the men, women and children we have left behind (many of whom will surely be tortured and executed) when he must have known there was a solid chance we’d be among the first Western nations to withdraw.

Even the United Nations, which is so rife with political correctness it usually cannot speak truth to tyrants, has reported the Taliban are engaging in extra-judicial executions of suspected collaborators and hunting down the families of Afghans who helped our troops, diplomats and relief agencies.

There are also reports of women being beaten in the streets for not wearing burkas.

Trudeau actually said after the G7 meeting, “We will continue to ensure that we’re doing everything we can to get (the Taliban) to respect human rights and give opportunities for all Afghans.”

He actually said that. As if it were possible.

When confronting brutal regimes, Trudeau often reminds me of the foreign tourists who come to Canada’s north or to Alaska to commune with bears and end up being eaten.

This is not a decision our military would make without a tremendous amount of grief and guilt. Instead, it smacks more of diplomats, bureaucrats and Liberal politicians.

It also puts the lie to Trudeau’s 2015 boast that “Canada is back” on the international scene.

We have so little international stature, we can’t get the Americans to open their borders to our travellers or approve pipelines that are vital to our economy.

For a month, we couldn’t get the Brits to allow our travellers in without quarantining, long after the U.K. had “green listed” such nations as Brunei, Malta, Romania and Turks and Caicos.

Trudeau’s softer-than-soft-power approach didn’t win us a seat on the UN Security Council.

And now the Afghanistan humiliation.

Trudeau is an immature, hollow, virtue-signalling buffoon.


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Sorry but that;s like saying Trudeau should've had the foresight to tell Meng Wanzhou to stay on the plane and get out because Trump was after her ass. Everything that happened since is all his fault because he didn't have a crystal ball.
We pulled out of that shithole a decade ago. You gonna tell me the people who live there had no fucking idea their country was a corrupt lie held together only by the American presence and expected the rest of the world to "rescue them" at the last minute?
Not saying the whole evac thing wasn't a total clusterfuck but implying someone else would've done better is utter bullshit. COULD HAVE maybe, but only if we hadn't pretty much ignored the place since we left or (Oh noes can't do that) questioned the 'truths' of what our American allies were claiming.
It happened on Trudeau's watch, just like it happened on Biden's. Do you think the Tool or Singh would've done better? Then you're dreaming, wake up.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:41 pm
 


herbie herbie:
Sorry but that;s like saying Trudeau should've had the foresight to tell Meng Wanzhou to stay on the plane and get out because Trump was after her ass. Everything that happened since is all his fault because he didn't have a crystal ball.
We pulled out of that shithole a decade ago. You gonna tell me the people who live there had no fucking idea their country was a corrupt lie held together only by the American presence and expected the rest of the world to "rescue them" at the last minute?
Not saying the whole evac thing wasn't a total clusterfuck but implying someone else would've done better is utter bullshit. COULD HAVE maybe, but only if we hadn't pretty much ignored the place since we left or (Oh noes can't do that) questioned the 'truths' of what our American allies were claiming.
It happened on Trudeau's watch, just like it happened on Biden's. Do you think the Tool or Singh would've done better? Then you're dreaming, wake up.



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He must have known there was a good chance we’d be gone the next day. Yet there he was giving false hope to the thousands of desperate Canadian citizens and permanent residents, interpreters, suppliers, employees, families and refugees we had promised to get to safety.


There is the crux of the matter, giving false hope.


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Yeah it’s on a lot of shoulders but Trudeau’s been in office for what 6 years. It’s not like no one was saying that they had left people behind that needed protection. No one can tell me that they didn’t have briefings which would have presented a best and worse case. Yeah maybe no one expected this but it should have been the worst case scenario as of April when the US said that they were pulling out. And to see headlines that basically say Canada will still take you if you can get out of the country yourselves is just wrong. Our country said they would be there and would get them out instead they were left hanging. Canada’s reputation and word is falling fast. Not to mention the death toll of Canadian soldiers that were for not.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:05 pm
 


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Fucking disgrace.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:45 pm
 


WHEN WE LEAVE. Afghanistan Tomorrow and Forever.
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Operation “Blame the Afghan People” is in full swing. The countdown to us forgetting completely about Afghanistan has also just begun and the media is doing its best to shove a comparative narrative to Vietnam down our throats. Today’s episode explores our national amnesia, examines the Vietnam comparison, talks about what happens when our occupations end and questions the continuation of a wartime military budget.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:52 pm
 


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Yeah maybe no one expected this but it should have been the worst case scenario as of April when the US said that they were pulling out. And to see headlines that basically say Canada will still take you if you can get out of the country yourselves is just wrong.


I guarantee there was a briefing and Trudeau was told POINT BLANK what the fallout was going to be and exactly how many souls he would leave behind. His reaction:

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He made his choice and on September 10th I will make mine.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:23 pm
 


We all will Scape Or I hope people will vote in good numbers


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