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Among military respondents, 15 per cent reported being kicked, bitten, punched, choked, burned or attacked as youngsters, compared with 10 per cent of civilians, while 10 per cent of soldiers also reported witnessing “intimate partner violence” while growing up. In that category, the civilian figure was eight per cent.
Are you calling this corporal punishment? You can see the detritus among civilians who experience childhood abuse and neglect (neglect is often forgotten but is actually more damaging) - the drunks and druggies, the chronically violent and so on. There won't be a differential between civilian and military who have been abused and depression/suicide, would be by guess. What this study is pointing to is that people who experienced abuse in childhood are more likely to join the military - the military attracts people like this. And then there's diathesis/stress. The childhood abuse predisposes somebody for depression and other mental problems, then the stress of military experiences can push someone like that beyond their breaking point. (not that someone who was never abused can't be pushed beyond their breaking point either.
I'm not calling that corporal punishment anymore than you're calling spanking abuse.
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Although the data is still being studied, preliminary results suggest 39 per cent of military members had been slapped or spanked more than three times as children; comparable research on the general population indicates some 22 per cent of civilians had the same experience as kids.
Anybody who lumps children who were "spanked" more than 3 times with any child who was genuinely abused makes me suspect that these findings might have less to do with finding a real cause as promoting a politically correct line of thought.
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In the U.S., a major 2013 study by the mental health research branch of the Veterans Administration, Duke University and the University of Alabama concluded that abuse, neglect and other childhood ordeals were major contributors to problems for soldiers later in life.
“These findings suggest that evaluation of childhood trauma is important in the clinical assessment and treatment of depressive symptoms and suicidal ideation among military personnel and veterans,” said the report by Dr. Nagy Youssef.
Of course it's important simply because to treat any mental illness you have to get to the all the causes but, where I find fault is that they're abrogating the real cause in favour of something that they can pinpoint, control in short it's a simplistic excuse for the problems.
How the fuck would a military function if you said well, these people are going to come back damaged so we can't put them in those situations. Won't work bur hey why don't we blame combat fatigue, PTSD and depression on their childhood because, it sounds considerably better than saying they're cracking up because of to many deployments to a combat zone, watching their friends die in their arms, killing people and living like animals for extended periods of time.
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One thing that nobody seems to want to acknowledge is that childhood abuse can cause PTSD all on it's own. Put somebody like that into the stress of battle and kapow.
Nobody's denying stress doesn't have anything to with the issue but put how do you propose they fix the problem. Stop enlisting anyone who was spanked or genuinely abused? The problem is and always has been the effects of combat on an individual nothing more nothing less and laying the blame at the foot of childhood abuse is a great way to get to some of the issues for treatment but has zero effect on a cure for the problem.
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Everybody's born a civilian. You see to imply that soldiers are somehow tougher at dealing with sights or acts. The PTSD numbers show they have just a strong reaction to what they experience as any civilian would. Also, there are plenty of civilians around who have seen just as much bad stuff as soldiers have, only they likely would have felt even more helpless than the soldiers, had no ability to fight back. The soldiers who push it all down and get numbed out, those are the ones to really worry about, assuming they're still functioning at that point
The Military is trained or used to be trained to be hard asses and follow orders blindly in combat because your life depends on it. We were broken down both mentally and physically then reshaped unlike Civilians. Even the police and fire fighters don't get the mental training that the military does so saying everyone was born a civilian has nothing to do with the problem because the people we're discussing long ago gave up their civilian mentality so it's like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is the fact that they were born and were children abuse, spanked or not.
But here's the million dollar question. How did millions of WWI, WWII and Korean war vet's manage to live productive and useful lives without the after effects that the years of combat are causing these later generations? Is it just because all those vets pushed it down like you say which I find hard to believe because we'd have had alot more issues than we did after those wars or, is it because for whatever reason they were alot tougher mentally than we are?
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