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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:48 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
Sorry but no. Stanfords continued experiments show that good and decent humans will go along with evil when they thing its in the greater good.


Is it evil to opt for the greater good?


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Chumley Chumley:
Possibly. What if they are right?

I think the line between right and wrong, good and evil is more like a rubber band than a concrete wall.


All the more reason they should be above board.

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Oh yeah!


Sweet!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:50 pm
 


Chumley Chumley:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Sorry but no. Stanfords continued experiments show that good and decent humans will go along with evil when they thing its in the greater good.


Is it evil to opt for the greater good?


And he felt how awful goodness was ......

Yes it is evil. Witness how even the worst people think they are/did it for just reasons.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:04 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
Chumley Chumley:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Sorry but no. Stanfords continued experiments show that good and decent humans will go along with evil when they thing its in the greater good.


Is it evil to opt for the greater good?


And he felt how awful goodness was ......

Yes it is evil. Witness how even the worst people think they are/did it for just reasons.


Everyone justifies there actions.
Perhaps we are wrong.
It is all subjective.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:07 pm
 


DerbyX DerbyX:
Sorry but no. Stanfords continued experiments show that good and decent humans will go along with evil when they thing its in the greater good.

How are these experiments carried out?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:39 pm
 


Chumley Chumley:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Sorry but no. Stanfords continued experiments show that good and decent humans will go along with evil when they thing its in the greater good.


Is it evil to opt for the greater good?



Yes, it is, when you starting getting into 'the ends justify the means'
type stuff, especially with the police.

And even if I agreed with your rubber band vs concrete wall idea,
which I don't :)
even a rubber band has a breakingpoint.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:47 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
Chumley Chumley:
DerbyX DerbyX:
Sorry but no. Stanfords continued experiments show that good and decent humans will go along with evil when they thing its in the greater good.


Is it evil to opt for the greater good?



Yes, it is, when you starting getting into 'the ends justify the means'
type stuff, especially with the police.

And even if I agreed with your rubber band vs concrete wall idea,
which I don't :)
even a rubber band has a breakingpoint.


The wall allows no exceptions, no room for mitigating circumstances, no room for debate. The rubber band allow the ends to justify the means to a point, but reasonable people can see the breaking point before it breaks. The wall becomes the end instead of the means.


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I'll agree.

Now it is only the issue of who is 'reasonable' ?

And since everyone comes into a situation with lots of prejudices
and pre-conceived ideas, I would prefer a wall that forces law enforcement
to behave in a certain way.

Or at the least a very short rubber band.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:44 pm
 


Derby,

I think you've been suckered by a bit of rhetorical licence from the defence lawyer quoted in that article. While the lawyer said the cop lied, there's simply no reference to any perjured testimony in the appellate court decision. The cop's reasons are quoted, and they're piss-poor. When the lawyer in the article then says that the cop was never disciplined, he's cleverly planting a false impression that the cop should have been disciplined.

After all, if the cop demonstrably lied, why is the defence proceeding with another appeal rather than petitioning the Attorney General's Office to proceed with perjury charges? A perjured cop certainly makes your charges go away.

That's why defence lawyers make terrible jurists; they're not interested in justice, they're interested in advocacy for themselves and their clients.

Martin14,

Glad to see you've opened your eyes to the gray world that is criminal justice.


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