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Title: Ciudad Juarez police chief quits after killings of officers, threats
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2009-02-21 18:45:54

[ridenrain]

Hey Look! No drug prohibition in Mexico.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

Hey Look! No drug prohibition in Mexico.

Really?

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old ... xico.shtml
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123292962031814007.html

Clearly ever single belief you have over drugs is wrong and proven so. Drugs should be legalized and taxed.

[ridenrain]

Why.. I thought all drug gangs were nice, friendly, socially aware groups.
Where's that "Robbin Hood" crap you drug supporters keep preaching?

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

Why.. I thought all drug gangs were nice, friendly, socially aware groups.

Lets talk about the gangs running guns. You say you own a gun. Really bad people own guns also. That doesn't bother you though does it yet you persist in blaming good people for bad people when it comes to drugs.

YOU have no right to own a firearm if other people who choose to do so cannot take drugs.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

Why.. I thought all drug gangs were nice, friendly, socially aware groups.

Lets talk about the gangs running guns. You say you own a gun. Really bad people own guns also. That doesn't bother you though does it yet you persist in blaming good people for bad people when it comes to drugs.

YOU have no right to own a firearm if other people who choose to do so cannot take drugs.

I also said I was a teen age Japanese school girl in that thread so you'll have to figure out for yourself what reality is... ams that last sentance might be a start for you.

Anyones use and enjoyment of legal firearms has nothing to do with the use of illegal drugs. That comparison would work if you want to argue that we should have the right to use and enjoy illegal firearms but that's just too dumb.

Still on topic, I'm not seeing why drugs hasn't made that town in Mexico any better.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

Why.. I thought all drug gangs were nice, friendly, socially aware groups.

Lets talk about the gangs running guns. You say you own a gun. Really bad people own guns also. That doesn't bother you though does it yet you persist in blaming good people for bad people when it comes to drugs.

YOU have no right to own a firearm if other people who choose to do so cannot take drugs.

I also said I was a teen age Japanese school girl in that thread so you'll have to figure out for yourself what reality is... ams that last sentance might be a start for you.

Anyones use and enjoyment of legal firearms has nothing to do with the use of illegal drugs. That comparison would work if you want to argue that we should have the right to use and enjoy illegal firearms but that's just too dumb.

Still on topic, I'm not seeing why drugs hasn't made that town in Mexico any better.

You and truth seem to be very very far apart.

Its not the drugs, its the war for illegal control. Absent the illegal control then there is not the money to support the groups. There is far more money in cars, TVs, food, etc yet we see little or no wars over control of these do we? Why? No money to control as legal organizations make more money and supplant illegal ones. Thats why prohibition had violence around liquor but we didn't.

You are wrong. You are basing your philosophy on your person beliefs, a hallmark of a hardcore conservative and anti-thetical of a true libertarian. I'm a true libertarian BTW.

You still think your personal beliefs should form a legal precendent and will ignore all policies to the contrary.

Revel in your wrongness.

[ridenrain]

It's the drugs. Drugs are fueling gands that are screwing up Mexico and will do the same thing here.

Why don't you find us some proof to support you're rhetoric instead of just shooting off with the same tired old personal attacks.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

It's the drugs. Drugs are fueling gands that are screwing up Mexico and will do the same thing here.

Why don't you find us some proof to support you're rhetoric instead of just shooting off with the same tired old personal attacks.

Its the money and the fact that its illegal so no other recourse is but through them.

You can't name anything that criminals don't exploit yet only with drugs does the violence really come out.

Even though there is violence in all aspects of crimes we don't see the level of control we see in drugs because there are legal avenues.

The facts are in. Despite crime being part of every aspect of human life we see only large levels of violence behind the parts that are illegal. Drugs and prostitution.

We have a lot of violence surrounding guns yet you do a 180. Why blame innocent gun owners you say?

Canada would be better off ridding itself of guns then drugs yet you claim otherwise.

Your hypocrisy is astounding.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX wrote:

We have a lot of violence surrounding guns yet you do a 180. Why blame innocent gun owners you say?
Canada would be better off ridding itself of guns then drugs yet you claim otherwise.

Quote:

Gun control in Mexico is a fascinating case study. Mexican gun laws are simply draconian. No civilian may own a gun larger than .22 caliber, and a permit is required to buy one. All guns in Mexico are registered with the Ministry Of Defense. Guns may not be carried in public, either openly or concealed.

Mexico's murder rate is an eye-popping 17.5. Mexican authorities are fond of blaming the high murder rate on firearms smuggled across the border from the United States. Nonsense. The U.S. has many more personal guns than Mexico, yet our murder rate is far lower than Mexico's. It is Mexico's absurd gun laws that prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves against illegally armed criminals.

Why don't you find us some proof to support you're rhetoric instead of just shooting off with the same tired old personal attacks.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

We have a lot of violence surrounding guns yet you do a 180. Why blame innocent gun owners you say?
Canada would be better off ridding itself of guns then drugs yet you claim otherwise.

Quote:

Gun control in Mexico is a fascinating case study. Mexican gun laws are simply draconian. No civilian may own a gun larger than .22 caliber, and a permit is required to buy one. All guns in Mexico are registered with the Ministry Of Defense. Guns may not be carried in public, either openly or concealed.

Mexico's murder rate is an eye-popping 17.5. Mexican authorities are fond of blaming the high murder rate on firearms smuggled across the border from the United States. Nonsense. The U.S. has many more personal guns than Mexico, yet our murder rate is far lower than Mexico's. It is Mexico's absurd gun laws that prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves against illegally armed criminals.

Why don't you find us some proof to support you're rhetoric instead of just shooting off with the same tired old personal attacks.

Yet you ignore the truth that crime surrounding all other aspects are far less.

You attempt to claim that the inability of people to buy guns wholesale means more crime yet ignore the counter argument that the ability of people to buy drugs legally will counter that.

ABOVE ALL ELSE you ignore that you have no right to protest drug use when you yourself wish to posses a deadly firearm that most people want removed from society.

Point nullified.

[ridenrain]

Get back on topic please. This isn't about me, it's about how Mexican drug gangs forced a police chief to retire. It's about how drug gangs have taken control of that small town.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

Get back on topic please. This isn't about me, it's about how Mexican drug gangs forced a police chief to retire. It's about how drug gangs have taken control of that small town.

I keep having to take time out from ESP Hitchens thread so enough is enough.

Its no surprise that illegal activity brings the most violence. It did when alcohol was illegal. It always does.

In the case of rights... drugs should be legal.

The logic is unbeatable.

[Axeman]

The article doesn't mention what drug they're talking about. If it's marijuana, this is just another excellent arguement in favour of legalization.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

Get back on topic please. This isn't about me, it's about how Mexican drug gangs forced a police chief to retire. It's about how drug gangs have taken control of that small town.

I keep having to take time out from ESP Hitchens thread so enough is enough.

Its no surprise that illegal activity brings the most violence. It did when alcohol was illegal. It always does.

In the case of rights... drugs should be legal.

The logic is unbeatable.

Go talk to Obama then and stop wasting our time here.
Making drugs illegal in Canada or Mexico isn't going to make a difference when their being smuggled into the US.