[Newsbot]

Title: Clean energy deal anticipated during Obama visit
Category: Political
Posted By: mtbr
Date: 2009-02-18 19:23:57
Canadian

[mtbr]

This will really piss of the lefties if Harper signs an agreement with the Obamasiah...them damn polluting conservatives

[Tracker]

"You gettin' this, Asshole?"

[mtbr]

"[If] Canada and the United States can collaborate on ways that we can sequester carbon capture greenhouse gases before they're emitted into the atmosphere, that's going to be good for everybody," Obama said.

the greenies aren't going to like that kind of talk

[ziggy]

The carbon sequestering is part of Alberta's stimulas package,it may be expensive as it's govt. money and we know how that gets handed out but it will put us once again at the top of the field in dealing with anything concerning energy.

[ridenrain]

I do hope someone sends a clip of this to Dion, with a caption "we got it done"

[ShepherdsDog]

Who??

[bootlegga]

If it happens, it'll be a good thing. Nothing wrong with cleaner energy after all.

[N_Fiddledog]

bootlegga wrote:

If it happens, it'll be a good thing. Nothing wrong with cleaner energy after all.

It depends. Research and development, new technologies; sure why not, if it's done right. A North American cap n trade deal, no way. That would be an impotent, exercise of crippling expense as already proven in Europe, and by signatures of Kyoto.

[bootlegga]

What do you think cleaner energy meant? I have yet to see how a cap and trade system creates cleaner energy.

[N_Fiddledog]

bootlegga wrote:

What do you think cleaner energy meant? I have yet to see how a cap and trade system creates cleaner energy.

See that's the problem. You and me read the title of the article in the thread. It says "cleaner energy", and we go woo hoo, less pollution. That's great. However, then (me at least) clicks the link to read the article, and the actual article spins...

Quote:

Sources from both countries say they expect Harper and Obama to announce an agreement that would serve as a building block towards a continental cap-and-trade system.

And me at least, goes "WTF! I don't get what that has to do with 'cleaner energy", but oh well if that's what they want to call it, I'm going to say the cap n trade part, at least, sucks, and it makes me suspicious of what else they might be including under the mantle of 'cleaner energy'.

[bootlegga]

Did you read this?

Quote:

One American official said the leaders are expected to take a modest first step Thursday by announcing a clean-technology deal that would boost the practice of carbon capture and storage.

That deeper integration would be a precursor to the loftier goal of North America-wide greenhouse gas targets — something that would require extensive negotiations.

"Some kind of co-operation on technology appears likely going forward [Thursday]," the U.S. official said.

"But vis-a-vis cap and trade, specifically, that's probably premature."

[ridenrain]

Quote:

The Possibilities Of Partnership
Michael Ignatieff, National Post
Published: Thursday, February 19, 2009

Quote:

President Obama's administration offers Canada the first opportunity in eight years to develop a complementary approach for the sustainable development of natural gas, petroleum and hydroelectric energy. We should immediately begin working toward a common cap-and-trade system, with a hard cap on emissions and defined reduction targets for industrial emissions.

Our environmental partnership should extend into the far north. Canada and the United States should work together, with other northern nations, to protect this region for the whole

.. or is that just another Dion-moment..?

Does that mean that we need to change "No Deep Integration" banners that were all over this site? I guess the whole Americano Dollar thing is fine now? I bet that 911 was even done by terrorists again.

[N_Fiddledog]

bootlegga wrote:

Did you read this?

Quote:

One American official said the leaders are expected to take a modest first step Thursday by announcing a clean-technology deal that would boost the practice of carbon capture and storage.

That deeper integration would be a precursor to the loftier goal of North America-wide greenhouse gas targets — something that would require extensive negotiations.

"Some kind of co-operation on technology appears likely going forward [Thursday]," the U.S. official said.

"But vis-a-vis cap and trade, specifically, that's probably premature."

Yes, I read that. "Probably premature" doesn't mean out of the question, and the general flavor of the article is Cap n Trade is a thing they want to consider eventually. To which I reply "phhhhttt", and when you suggest what they are calling "cleaner technology" in the article is categorically a good direction, I suggest again "It depends".

If you're talking stuff like taking down road blocks slowing the development of financially viable alternative energy, or continuing the great work done in America to this point cleaning the actual pollution out of industry then sounds good. If you're talking cap n trade, or if what Big O means by "carbon sequestration" is something like that twisted definition of what he's calling "clean coal" then Harper would do better to tell Obama to get stuffed.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's an article on how nutty things get when you start merging concepts like carbon sequestration, and cap-and-trade with coal.

CO2-Capture Coal Plants: A Ban by Another Name

I worry this may be the same sort of thing they're pointing towards with tar sands oil.

Come to think of it, could that article which started this thread have been more vague? Lots of buzz words, but not a lot of information.

I think when people see the actual mechanics laid out of what the Americans really have planned they're going to freak.