[Newsbot]

Title: Climate Change Data Dumped
Category: Science
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2009-11-29 11:01:48

[N_Fiddledog]

The sceptic blogs have been talking about this for many months, but in the wake of Climategate the MSM seems to be discovering the story.

[gigs]

No sense hanging on to the facts when you have no use for them.

[stemmer]

The deceit, lies and out right chicanery of climate science is revealed...

[BartSimpson]

Quote:

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected.

And by destroying the raw data no one will be able to challenge the biases inherent in those 'adjustments'.

AGW is NOT science and whoever leaked those emails did a huge public service.

[ridenrain]

We shouldn't over react to this leak but we definately need to impose crippling cap & trade taxes immediately or everyone will die by next week.

[Lemmy]

ridenrain wrote:

We shouldn't over react to this leak but we definately need to impose crippling cap & trade taxes immediately or everyone will die by next week.

Why must a cap and trade system be "crippling"? It could be set up any number of ways, including allowing firms to pollute MORE than they currently are. There's nothing inherently harmful in cap and trade sytems. In practise, they've worked very well in many places.

[ridenrain]

Where does the money go?

[Lemmy]

ridenrain wrote:

Where does the money go?

Anywhere the powers-that-be direct it to go.

[ridenrain]

Shouldn't taxpayers have the right to determine where their money goes?

[Lemmy]

ridenrain wrote:

Shouldn't taxpayers have the right to determine where their money goes?

Absolutely. Cap and trade revenue needn't be any different than any other government source of revenue. You can even set up cap and trade so it doesn't generate revenue, if you want.

[ridenrain]

If Kyoto is any indication, it's pretty clear that the taxpayers will not have a say in where these taxes go. Kyoto was all about the modern western world helping the poorer, developing world (China, Saudi Araba, Dubai, Arab Emerites.. ) move directly to "green" power. This was soundly rejected by Canadians.

This is an unnessesary tax, at the wrong time, that will do nothing to reduce polution in Canada.

[Lemmy]

ridenrain wrote:

If Kyoto is any indication, it's pretty clear that the taxpayers will not have a say in where these taxes go. Kyoto was all about the modern western world helping the poorer, developing world (China, Saudi Araba, Dubai, Arab Emerites.. ) move directly to "green" power. This was soundly rejected by Canadians.

Kyoto was pie-in-the-sky idea. It's not a good example of a cap & trade system.

ridenrain wrote:

This is an unnessesary tax, at the wrong time, that will do nothing to reduce polution in Canada.

Which? A cap-and-trade system within Canada could be set up that would improve pollution and reduce taxes. It could be implemented to replace all sorts of other taxation schemes. There's nothing wrong with the idea, provided it's designed and implemented correctly. Any scheme that includes incentives to improve are likely to work better than the current system of taxation, based on income, which essentially is a tax on how WELL you do. A cap & trade system is based on taxing those who do BADLY instead of those who do well. Isn't that a good thing?

[BartSimpson]

Cap & trade is merely a tax on the productive. That is all.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson wrote:

Cap & trade is merely a tax on the productive. That is all.

Huh? You'll have to explain that one.