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PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:05 pm
 


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Could be but I prefer to view him as what he is. A petty dictator, race baiting, anti Canadian asshole who only abides by the law when it suits him and who's purposely using his fathers model of divide and conquer for his own twisted ambitions.
Are you open to the possibility that he is just an actor, like Papa schTroumpf down south, reading (if you can call it that) a script that is fed to him by people you will never know?


I'm definitely open to that possibility. But are you open to the possibility that UN is now running Canada and Trudeau is just their mouthpiece?


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I'm definitely open to that possibility. But are you open to the possibility that UN is now running Canada and Trudeau is just their mouthpiece?
Yes but I am also open to the possibility that nobody is running Canada and Trudeau is a victim of black-mail from multiple international agents.


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He says without a trace of irony.

Groper to China: "We respect the rule of law in Canada.

Groper to protestors in Canada: Fuck the law. Feel free to break it all you want.

Meanwhile, Marc Garneau, the world's most clueless ex-astronaut proclaims that the protests blocking transportation corridors are provincial responsibility. Forgetting entirely that the lines CN and VIA run on are federal jurisdiction, not provincial.

So it would appear that Groper and gang are perfectly happy to let Canada's economy take a nice hit in the name of his idiot ideology. Common sense be damned. That common sense shit is just nazi thinking.

Groper? Trump isn’t involved here.

Nothing ironic about what I said.


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Yes, but if we get rid of the malaise and lack of testicular fortitude by our govt's we can have it rise up again like the Phoenix. All we as voters have to have is the willingness to put partisanship aside, demand the gov't stand up to special interest groups, foreign interference, the corruption they themselves are involved in and stop pandering to that small but vocal group of natives who wallow in their own self pity and deluded dreams that we as a nation bow to their demands.

Fix those issues and we have a chance of taking back our country.

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It would be a start anyway.

I can barely watch the news without getting angry about all this. My rant in the f*ck forum barely expresses how much this issue is pissing me off.

None of those assholes give a crap about the impact they are having on our economy and on the lives of countless citizens who are simply trying to make a living.

Our pathetic leadership is doing SFA about it. Too bad it's not an election year.


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Freakinoldguy wrote:
Yes, but if we get rid of the malaise and lack of testicular fortitude by our govt's we can have it rise up again like the Phoenix. All we as voters have to have is the willingness to put partisanship aside, demand the gov't stand up to special interest groups, foreign interference, the corruption they themselves are involved in and stop pandering to that small but vocal group of natives who wallow in their own self pity and deluded dreams that we as a nation bow to their demands.

Fix those issues and we have a chance of taking back our country.




Voters had that chance, recently.

We all know what they chose.

The truly sad part is while many people will agree with you,
very very few would be willing to do something about it.

Too many more will smile their smug smile, wave their hands to dismiss this
as nothing serious.


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Over his four years as prime minister, it has become noteworthy how often Justin Trudeau faces problems of his own making.

His sanctimony keeps coming back to bite him. Canadians who follow politics have long been aware of the prime minister’s weakness for pious declarations of well-intentioned morality. His success in defeating the Conservative government of Stephen Harper owed much to the stark contrast between Trudeau’s starry-eyed optimism and Harper’s no-fun pragmatism.

It may have seemed at the time that tying himself to a shining idealism offered little to lose for the Liberal leader. Unfortunately, the years since have demonstrated otherwise.

Staunch assertions of his devotion to feminism, for instance, ran aground when he found himself faced with a senior female cabinet minister who assiduously refused to cave to his demands that she change her position on a Quebec-based company seeking political help from the government. Jody Wilson-Raybould’s principled stand saw her badmouthed by colleagues, arm-twisted to concede, turfed from her job and ultimately hustled right out of the Liberal caucus by an intransigent Trudeau.

The emergence of photographs of the prime minister prancing around in black- and brown-face on repeated occasions would have been humiliating in any context, but took on a deeply hypocritical aspect given his regular paeans to the glories of diversity and attestations of devotion to Canada’s multicultural nature. He maintained he’d been young and foolish at the time, blind to the insensitivity and insult of his actions, but a less vainglorious person might have held off on the boasting once he cottoned on to the mistakes he’d made.

Construction of the Trans Mountain pipeline, and other energy projects, was never going to be easy given concerns over environmental impacts, but Trudeau greatly complicated the decision he would one day face by trying to play both sides against the middle. While assuring Albertans of his appreciation for the crucial nature of the energy industry, he egged on activists with pledges of support for “social licence” and legislation making it infinitely harder to win regulatory approval for pipeline projects or tanker traffic. His tactics backed the government into a corner when Trans Mountain looked in danger of cancellation, forcing it to purchase the pipeline for $4.5 billion and saddle taxpayers with a project now expected to cost $12.6 billion, up from a previous estimate of $7.4 billion. The political capital expended on that decision only increased the difficulty of rendering judgment on the Frontier mine, a $20.6-billion oilsands megaproject that once again pits the environment against the economy, with Ottawa caught between its past assertions of sympathy and support for both sides.

Of all the prime minister’s stated priorities, none has enjoyed greater prominence than his oft-professed determination to achieve reconciliation with Canada’s Indigenous people. There is no question there is much to atone for in the country’s shoddy historic treatment of native communities, and considerable sympathy for government efforts to right the record. But once again Trudeau finds himself up against his own artlessness.

Canada’s Indigenous community is not a single unified body with universally recognized leadership and established policies. It is a collection of widely differing interests, pressure groups, power points and varying regional, political and economic agendas that are often at odds across geographical regions, and within communities themselves. At the moment, a collection of Indigenous protesters has managed to cause serious disruption to train services across the country by blockading rail tracks. The blockade in Ontario is in sympathy with actions in British Columbia that have been ruled illegal. The B.C. protest was ordered by hereditary chiefs who are at odds with elected Indigenous leaders. Police are reluctant to act against groups that have taken the law into their own hands for fear of making things worse. Canadians are caught in the middle.

The prime minister has been nowhere on this. While deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland and other cabinet members have struggled to contain the situation, Trudeau has been flying around Africa in search of votes for a temporary seat on the United Nations Security Council, a pet project that few voters would consider a matter of vital importance. At a stop-off in Germany Trudeau allowed that Canada is “a country of laws” and also, of course, that there is “freedom to demonstrate and to protest.”

“Getting that balance right and wrapping it up in the path forward … is really important.”

Gee, thanks. And whose job would it be to get that balance right but the prime minister, who has done so much to talk the country into a position where protesters feel free to ignore the courts, and police feel helpless to intervene, all in the name of reconciliation efforts that can only lose public sympathy the longer the spectacle persists.

If Justin Trudeau has lost interest in his job perhaps he should call a leadership vote so someone with greater concern can take on these issues. He would then be free to express his high-minded ideals unhampered by any responsibility for successfully putting them to work.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:24 pm
 


Trudeau's job isn't to tell the police what to do. You have that confused with your fascist illusions of what Trump does as proper politics.
The cops enforce the law, and the whining protesters are there because they did. AFTER they got an injunction.
Friend had a good point. Where are the railway police? They used to punch, kick, threaten us just for walking down, crossing over or even hanging around near railway tracks. Would've beaten us senseless and got off scot free if we'd ever actually blocked them.


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Trudeau's job isn't to tell the police what to do. You have that confused with your fascist illusions of what Trump does as proper politics.
The cops enforce the law, and the whining protesters are there because they did. AFTER they got an injunction.
Friend had a good point. Where are the railway police? They used to punch, kick, threaten us just for walking down, crossing over or even hanging around near railway tracks. Would've beaten us senseless and got off scot free if we'd ever actually blocked them.




If he's not allowed to tell the police to enforce the law, then who's supposed to? The courts have spoken and still our lame duck Gov't and PM sit on their hands waiting for someone else to take action so they don't come out of this looking bad to their buddy's at the UN and the radical natives they seems to champion so often over other Canadians.

But speaking of telling the RCMP to do something remember this?

Trudeau pushed for leak investigation that led to breach-of-trust charge against Norman

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... inst-vice/

Hmm, so it's okay to tell the police to investigate someone you're pissed at but, for some strange reason you're unwilling to instruct the police to enforce court orders. Doesn't that seem odd to you?


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If he's not allowed to tell the police to enforce the law, then who's supposed to?

They are, the cops.

Weren't you one of the ones bitching because the PMO tried to get the AG to use a law they specifically made for SNC Lavalin? Wasn't THAT too much political interference for you?
What do you think caused all this stink? The RCMP did enforce the law (they need injunctions) removing roadblocks and arresting ppl at the construction site. If they block the legislature (there is another injunction)they will arrest more.
The railroads could lay trespass complaints and start one hell of a commotion. You think the paltry handful of malcontents hasn't caused enough trouble? They obviously (by the size of crowds of mere dozens and hundreds) do not have much support, but escalating could change things.
It's an issue of some members of one band thinking they have authority over the rest of that band. And a bunch of LNG protesters seeing it fits their lost cause and pretending to support them.


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If he's not allowed to tell the police to enforce the law, then who's supposed to?

They are, the cops.

Weren't you one of the ones bitching because the PMO tried to get the AG to use a law they specifically made for SNC Lavalin? Wasn't THAT too much political interference for you?
What do you think caused all this stink? The RCMP did enforce the law (they need injunctions) removing roadblocks and arresting ppl at the construction site. If they block the legislature (there is another injunction)they will arrest more.
The railroads could lay trespass complaints and start one hell of a commotion. You think the paltry handful of malcontents hasn't caused enough trouble? They obviously (by the size of crowds of mere dozens and hundreds) do not have much support, but escalating could change things.
It's an issue of some members of one band thinking they have authority over the rest of that band. And a bunch of LNG protesters seeing it fits their lost cause and pretending to support them.



Explain Admiral Norman then or the PM injecting himself into the Justice System decision in the Gerald Stanley trial?

And now suddenly he's all "the police are independent and no politician should be allowed to instruct them on what to do"

Seems a tad bit hypocritical to take that stance after instructing the RCMP to investigate someone, isn't it.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:38 am
 


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Canada has fallen.

R=EM



-J.


Not yet but it is toppling. As in all cases it can be righted BEFRORE it falls.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:46 am
 


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He says without a trace of irony.

Groper to China: "We respect the rule of law in Canada.

Groper to protestors in Canada: Fuck the law. Feel free to break it all you want.

Meanwhile, Marc Garneau, the world's most clueless ex-astronaut proclaims that the protests blocking transportation corridors are provincial responsibility. Forgetting entirely that the lines CN and VIA run on are federal jurisdiction, not provincial.

So it would appear that Groper and gang are perfectly happy to let Canada's economy take a nice hit in the name of his idiot ideology. Common sense be damned. That common sense shit is just nazi thinking.

Groper? Trump isn’t involved here.

Nothing ironic about what I said.
Full of irony dude. Just fucking dripping with it. And nice of you to give Groper a free pass for sexually assaulting a female reporter. I had no idea that being "progressive" meant engaging in sexual assault, cultural appropriation and wearing Black face. Kind'a ironic that Don Cherry was fired, because the same group of twats who whined about him saying "You people", re-elected some racist, sexist sack of shit who calls himself a "progressive". Once again proving that the perpetually intellectually stunted leftists believe that rhetoric is more important than actions.


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If he's not allowed to tell the police to enforce the law, then who's supposed to?

They are, the cops.

Weren't you one of the ones bitching because the PMO tried to get the AG to use a law they specifically made for SNC Lavalin? Wasn't THAT too much political interference for you?
What do you think caused all this stink? The RCMP did enforce the law (they need injunctions) removing roadblocks and arresting ppl at the construction site. If they block the legislature (there is another injunction)they will arrest more.
The railroads could lay trespass complaints and start one hell of a commotion. You think the paltry handful of malcontents hasn't caused enough trouble? They obviously (by the size of crowds of mere dozens and hundreds) do not have much support, but escalating could change things.
It's an issue of some members of one band thinking they have authority over the rest of that band. And a bunch of LNG protesters seeing it fits their lost cause and pretending to support them.


It's not the same situation at all.

1. The RCMP commissioner is named by the government and respond to the Minister of Public Safety (Bill Blair). Yes, it should be separated from the executive power and be totally neutral. But, that's not the case at the moment. Here in Quebec, we just passed a law to at last have the chief of the provincial police (SQ) be nominated by the parliament instead of being nominated by the Party in power. After a LOT of political interference history (new elected govt firing the heads of the SQ and replacing them with their guys). That MacLeans cover with Bonhomme Carnaval about Quebec being the most corrupt province was not a joke ;-)

2. RCMP does police most of Canada but there are provincial police in Ontario and Quebec.

3. That leads to the fact that the protesters are allegedly acting for ancestral territory rights (First Nations). That's a federal matter. Should provincial courts rule over that ? Should provincial police apply the lower court orders ? Should the RCMP ?

4. Oka and Ipperwash.

5. Mix all that together and that's obvious that the police executives are needing political intervention and direction. It's not as simple as "those acts are unlawful. I'm an OPP officer and I will arrest them all !!"


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90% of the protesters don't give a flying fuck about native rights. They want the pipeline stopped, that's all. The 10% who are native don't give a flying fuck about Hereditary Chiefs, they want to see some actual progress on overall native settlements.

If you saw the OPP commissioner on the news, he clearly stated the PM and the Premier do not tell him what to do, the police force decides how and when they're ready to enforce the law.

The damn situation has got to this point with people jumping on the bandwagon with other causes. Uber Greenies who simply refuse to acknowledge they've lost the case, and the fact this will be the LAST pipeline approval that ever happen here is not good enough for them!

The BC gov't has been in consultations with that band and the Hereditary Chiefs for over a year. The feds dragging their feet has to stop and serious talks begin.


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If you saw the OPP commissioner on the news, he clearly stated the PM and the Premier do not tell him what to do, the police force decides how and when they're ready to enforce the law.

Neither Ford nor the OPP have ANY jurisdiction when it comes to CN/VIA lines. And CLEARLY Groper tells the RCMP when to enforce "the law", unless you're going to try and tell me that the RCMP went after Adm Norman all on their own accord with no directives from Team Groper.


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