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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:56 am
 


Title: Coal power starting to go offline in Alberta as shift to cleaner energy picks up | Globalnews.ca
Category: Economics
Posted By: uwish
Date: 2018-01-04 06:52:28
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and here comes the price jacking, soon we will be just like Ontario.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:15 am
 


Guess you missed this, eh?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/r ... -1.4446746

And, how again is Alberta a have-not province all of a sudden?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:22 am
 


I did't miss anything, you see the vast majority of your bill is not in the amount of energy you consume, so even if the cost of your energy goes up or down by 50% it would only have a small affect on your bill.

What will get hammered and cause your bill to jump, are the rate riders, access and distribution fee's that will skyrocket.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:39 am
 


uwish uwish:
I did't miss anything, you see the vast majority of your bill is not in the amount of energy you consume, so even if the cost of your energy goes up or down by 50% it would only have a small affect on your bill.

What will get hammered and cause your bill to jump, are the rate riders, access and distribution fee's that will skyrocket.


Isn't deregulation wonderful! So if the increase in price will come through delivery charges, etc.; how will the end of dirty, dirty coal bring that to pass?

And, how again is Alberta a have-not province all of a sudden?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:41 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
uwish uwish:
I did't miss anything, you see the vast majority of your bill is not in the amount of energy you consume, so even if the cost of your energy goes up or down by 50% it would only have a small affect on your bill.

What will get hammered and cause your bill to jump, are the rate riders, access and distribution fee's that will skyrocket.


Isn't deregulation wonderful! So if the increase in price will come through delivery charges, etc.; how will the end of dirty, dirty coal bring that to pass?

And, how again is Alberta a have-not province all of a sudden?



wow, your basis understanding of a business cycle is quite astonishingly low. You see we already have all the infrastructure for the current set up. If you want to build wind, convert coal plants to gas etc you need to put pipe in the ground, or construct huge wind farms, etc Who will pay for that? hum? hint...we will in 'access' and 'transmission' fees.


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uwish uwish:
wow, your basis understanding of a business cycle is quite astonishingly low. You see we already have all the infrastructure for the current set up. If you want to build wind, convert coal plants to gas etc you need to put pipe in the ground, or construct huge wind farms, etc Who will pay for that? hum? hint...we will in 'access' and 'transmission' fees.


I used to work at the Department of Energy, and I know exactly how the rate riders and access fees are determined. They aren't arbitrary.

The auction for renewable energy included limitations on changes to those fees. They won't increase significantly, and might actually decrease as most of the infrastructure already exists and will be paid for in full soon.

Removing the old coal plants isn't going to change delivery fees. The sky is not falling. Nothing to see here. Move along.


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did you work there? good, can you please tell me why my administration fee's are variable? Because no one at the utility seems to know, at least they can't explain it...


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uwish uwish:
did you work there? good, can you please tell me why my administration fee's are variable? Because no one at the utility seems to know, at least they can't explain it...


Not satisfyingly. I don't think anyone understands it.

The company puts a rate proposal to a regulatory board, and gives them a big song and dance that the rate is reflective of costs to calculate and produce that customers bill for a given physical area, and it's divided among the customers in that area.

For example, if an industrial area of Red Deer uses a large amount of electricity, for say, cannibus growing; their administrative and rate rider fees might change because of the need to send a service tech out to make sure their meters are working properly; or based on the frequency that components need to be inspected and replaced their rate rider may increase or decrease. Most of the fees are like this, but there are some the company might decide to change because they feel they spent more 'buying power' on behalf of their customers. But there are limits as to how much this is allowed to change, because they 'buy power' from themselves usually.

I think it's all bullshit, but they convince the board that their proposed rates are justified. And they get usually approved. Remember too that Epcor and Enmax are essentially arms length Crown Corporations.

$1:
Regulatory Requirements

Two regulations stipulate the types of charges that must be included on a customer’s electricity bill. All retail electricity providers are governed by the requirements of the Billing Regulation of the Electric Utilities Act

Regulated rate providers must also comply with the requirements of the Regulated Rate Option Regulation.

As required by regulation, all retail electricity providers and regulated rate providers use a common, standardized breakdown of charges on their customers’ electricity bills.

Within this standardized breakdown, however, different providers may group the various bill components in different ways. For example, Enmax includes transmission, distribution, rate riders and balancing pool allocations as
“delivery charges,” but breaks out local access fees. Direct Energy includes local access fees as part of a “distributor charge” that also includes transmission, distribution and rate riders.


http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/Electricity ... yRates.pdf


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:41 am
 


yeah, but what about my little admin fee? that keeps changing as well? does that mean someone has to generate my bill differently each month?


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uwish uwish:
yeah, but what about my little admin fee? that keeps changing as well? does that mean someone has to generate my bill differently each month?


From what I recall, it's based on your area. Each area might be a little different, depending on how that area is serviced. And they are mostly arbitrary, grouped by how power service is brought into that area.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:37 pm
 


So when will Canada stand on its lofty principles and stop selling oil and coal to China?

Hmmmmm?

Frankly, you people should be paying the UN a whole big boatload of carbon offsets for all of the carbon you burn by proxy.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
So when will Canada stand on its lofty principles and stop selling oil and coal to China?


We'll do it about the same time the US lives up to it's own insipid mythology and quits selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.


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Thanos Thanos:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
So when will Canada stand on its lofty principles and stop selling oil and coal to China?


We'll do it about the same time the US lives up to it's own insipid mythology and quits selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.


We're not the ones telling everyone that burning coal is a crime against humanity.

But nice try on the whatabouttery. [B-o]


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:55 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
So when will Canada stand on its lofty principles and stop selling oil and coal to China?


We'll do it about the same time the US lives up to it's own insipid mythology and quits selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.


We're not the ones telling everyone that burning coal is a crime against humanity.

But nice try on the whatabouttery. [B-o]


No, but you're the ones with the constant "terrorism is bad, m'kay?" and then you go sell more weapons to the worst terrorism-sponsor on the globe. At this stage when an American says something about what the right thing to do is then it's a guarantee that your country is doing the exact opposite of what it claims to believe in. God bless Mammon & MAGA and all that other two-faced crap you guys worship.


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