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Title: Damn Yankees are trying to steal our victory in 1812
Category: Military
Posted By: BeaverFever
Date: 2011-10-13 20:19:32
Canadian

[BeaverFever]

Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.

[Gunnair]

BeaverFever wrote:

Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.

[Zipperfish]

Yup, we sure opened up a can o' whup-ass on them.

[DanSC]

No word on if Americans will celebrate British victory in the French and Indian War.

[EyeBrock]

The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.

It's worth remembering it 200 years on.

[Mustang1]

I've said it once, and i'll say it again - British objectives realized and America's repulsed. It's no victory for the United States unless one wants consciously omit the obvious and hunt for the secondary and tertiary results (but then, that's not sound history, is it?). If all you've got left is needling, then it's pretty much done.

[EyeBrock]

Well said Mustang.

[herbie]

EyeBrock wrote:

The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.

It's worth remembering it 200 years on.

WE repulsed the Americans. British, French, Indians and settler militias.
The press gangs stopped once Napoleon went down.
The US gained no territory, but in return won acceptance of a national army and a navy that earned British respect.
And as the PBS series pointed out (which I never really grasped before) was the Indians got FUBAR'd forever.
The fact we're here shows Canadians were the only ones to "win" anything out of the dispute.

[EyeBrock]

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WE repulsed the Americans. British, French, Indians and settler militias.

On the weed early today herbie?

[Lemmy]

herbie wrote:

The fact we're here shows Canadians were the only ones to "win" anything out of the dispute.

That's the truth in a nutshell.

[fifeboy]

BeaverFever wrote:

Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock wrote:

The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.

It's worth remembering it 200 years on.

What the USA accomplished was, like you said, British recognition of US sovereignty on the high seas, and the USA also bloodied Britain's nose sufficiently that the British military stayed out of our Civil War. What the British blunted were the immediate territorial goals of the Warhawks but this conflict set the tone for later negotiations such as with the Oregon Territory and the San Juan Islands.

[RUEZ]

fifeboy wrote:

BeaverFever wrote:

Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.

Is this a joke too?

[EyeBrock]

Well Bart, you have always had a good handle on our joint histories.

There are others on CKA who in one breath slag off the monarchy and our historical Brit links but in the next will be telling us all how Canadians kicked Yank arse in the war of 1812 and burned down the White House.

Yea, right.