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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:39 am
 


Title: Deadline for inquiry report into foreign funding of anti-Alberta oil campaigns pushed to May
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2021-02-01 06:36:17
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:39 am
 


What about the money behind the Oil and Gas Lobbyists/Campaign contributors?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:14 pm
 


It was pushed back because all of the information and evidence the "Top Men" have amassed on the Anti-Oil campaign.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:22 pm
 


$1:
"It's frankly been a gong show right from the start, with fumbles and missteps," he said.

Most public inquiries would follow a judicial process where parties present evidence publicly and witnesses are cross-examined, he said. Ecojustice has proposed the inquiry follow such a process, but no public hearings have been organized, Page said.

Although the inquiry commissioned, paid for and published reports that make claims about Greenpeace, the organization has never been contacted by the inquiry, senior energy strategist Keith Stewart said on Friday night.

Stewart said he feels no more confident a time extension will lead to a fairer process.


They can't have a lot of evidence, considering this 'public' inquiry never called any witnesses.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:18 pm
 


you missed the reference :(


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:20 pm
 


llama66 llama66:
It was pushed back because all of the information and evidence the "Top Men" have amassed on the Anti-Oil campaign.


I assume you meant this :lol:



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lol.


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lol.


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Too bad it's the nature of the UCP to wreck everything it touches. The truth is that there was, and still is, a lot of well-co-ordinated foreign money that went into destroying Alberta. From the US producers doing it to derail & impoverish a competitor to benefit their own boom to the far-left celebrity eco-fascist elitists who did it because, well, because it the sort of thing they like to do while sitting on their self-righteous high horses. It's all true, and everybody knows it. Too bad Kenney & Co do so much ingenuous stunt-booking of their own, from the embarrassment of the "war room" to the idiocy of scrapping the oil-by-rail contracts just because they were a Rachel Notley policy, that it renders pretty much anything they do or say as completely unreliable. And done solely for their own ideological reasons and not for the good of the province.

Alberta's lost almost every battle in this fight that began with the Arabs deliberately destroying the oil price back in 2014, with the only real win coming from TMX courtesy of a couple of "lefties" like Notley & Trudeau. It's over for us. There's not going to be a trial to find anyone guilty for killing us. They ALL killed us, each in their own malicious and hate-filled way. But one of those who should have been charged with the murder of this province definitely should have been the last thirty-plus years of conservatism (including the UCP brand) that doubled-down on oil and turned us into a one-horse economy that only needed one successful torpedo hit beneath the waterline to succeed in sinking us. At this stage it's become pathetic, like listening to some old veterans from an army that lost a war squabbling with each other in an endless "we would have won it all if only we'd done this instead..." sort of argument.


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Thanos Thanos:
Too bad it's the nature of the UCP to wreck everything it touches. The truth is that there was, and still is, a lot of well-co-ordinated foreign money that went into destroying Alberta. From the US producers doing it to derail & impoverish a competitor to benefit their own boom to the far-left celebrity eco-fascist elitists who did it because, well, because it the sort of thing they like to do while sitting on their self-righteous high horses. It's all true, and everybody knows it. Too bad Kenney & Co do so much ingenuous stunt-booking of their own, from the embarrassment of the "war room" to the idiocy of scrapping the oil-by-rail contracts just because they were a Rachel Notley policy, that it renders pretty much anything they do or say as completely unreliable. And done solely for their own ideological reasons and not for the good of the province.

Alberta's lost almost every battle in this fight that began with the Arabs deliberately destroying the oil price back in 2014, with the only real win coming from TMX courtesy of a couple of "lefties" like Notley & Trudeau. It's over for us. There's not going to be a trial to find anyone guilty for killing us. They ALL killed us, each in their own malicious and hate-filled way. But one of those who should have been charged with the murder of this province definitely should have been the last thirty-plus years of conservatism (including the UCP brand) that doubled-down on oil and turned us into a one-horse economy that only needed one successful torpedo hit beneath the waterline to succeed in sinking us. At this stage it's become pathetic, like listening to some old veterans from an army that lost a war squabbling with each other in an endless "we would have won it all if only we'd done this instead..." sort of argument.


The reason Alberta has lost all these battles isn't because of the Americans or environmentalists or the Arabs, it's because 95% of our oil is heavy oil and very carbon intensive to refine into other products.

If the Western Canadian Basin was still pumping out high quality light crude like it did in the 60s, 70s and 80s, we'd have everyone lined up to buy it, even with US shale. That oil was far cheaper than shale and sold by a western nation. Do you ever hear of oil from Norway or the UK getting protested like oil sands oil? Or Newfoundland's offshore oil?

Of course not, because it isn't heavy oil.

We had a chance to save something of our wealth in the Heritage Trust Fund, but Alberta (through its voting history) chose to ensure their lives now were better than that of their children and grandchildren. As a society, we chose to live like the grasshopper and spend, spend spend, instead of living like the ant and saving something for the future.

It's the typical "Fuck you, I got mine' attitude that is so common amongst conservatives around the world and it's why Alberta's finances and economy are such a shitshow. And I'm not saying that the Alberta Liberals or NDP would necessarily have done much better, but they certainly would have looked to the future instead of the present like the PCs and UCP have done.

I wasn't a huge fan of Notley, but I will give her credit for trying to diversify the economy with tax credits for other industries, investing in infrastructure for the future (schools, hospitals, roads, transit, etc.), and bringing in a carbon tax (even if I didn't agree with the rebate structure) that was just starting to get some buy in from opponents that we were serious about dealing with the effects of selling heavy oil. Then Kenney undid most of it in the first month or two he was in office, and got pissed off when environmentalists ratcheted up the protests against his policies.

Well what the hell did he expect?

Sadly, Albertans worst enemies are not foreigners or environmentalists, or politicians from down east, but themselves.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:41 pm
 


bootlegga bootlegga:
I wasn't a huge fan of Notley,. . . and bringing in a carbon tax (even if I didn't agree with the rebate structure)


Several things are wrong with this. Alberta never had a Carbon Tax. The media gets this wrong too. We had a Carbon Levy, meaning the revenue didn't go into General Revenue, but was returned through rebates.

And it started back in 2002 with (*gasp*) Ralph Klein.

https://www.alberta.ca/about-carbon-lev ... ation.aspx

https://open.alberta.ca/publications/4004448#summary

Notley expanded the Levy in 2016 to include more products.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politi ... x-timeline


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Thanos Thanos:
Too bad it's the nature of the UCP to wreck everything it touches. The truth is that there was, and still is, a lot of well-co-ordinated foreign money that went into destroying Alberta. From the US producers doing it to derail & impoverish a competitor to benefit their own boom to the far-left celebrity eco-fascist elitists who did it because, well, because it the sort of thing they like to do while sitting on their self-righteous high horses. It's all true, and everybody knows it. Too bad Kenney & Co do so much ingenuous stunt-booking of their own, from the embarrassment of the "war room" to the idiocy of scrapping the oil-by-rail contracts just because they were a Rachel Notley policy, that it renders pretty much anything they do or say as completely unreliable. And done solely for their own ideological reasons and not for the good of the province.

Alberta's lost almost every battle in this fight that began with the Arabs deliberately destroying the oil price back in 2014, with the only real win coming from TMX courtesy of a couple of "lefties" like Notley & Trudeau. It's over for us. There's not going to be a trial to find anyones guilty for killing us. They ALL killed us, each in their own malicious and hate-filled way. But one of those who should have been charged with the murder of this province definitely should have been the last thirty-plus years of conservatism (including the UCP brand) that doubled-down on oil and turned us into a one-horse economy that only needed one successful torpedo hit beneath the waterline to succeed in sinking us. At this stage it's become pathetic, like listening to some old veterans from an army that lost a war squabbling with each other in an endless "we would have won it all if only we'd done this instead..." sort of argument.






far-left celebrity eco-fascist elitists

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Betcha can’t say that and rub your tummy at the same time


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:58 pm
 


Wouldn't want to. But it doesn't mean that what I said isn't true. They were out to get us and they raised untraceable billions of dollars to do it. And they won. It's over.

The bigger problem right now is that the far-right anarcho-capitalist UCP aren't even bothering to acknowledge the reality of the free market they worship. The basic rules of supply and demand are dictating that there will never be another boom in this province. The basic oil infrastructure has been built, one that will steadily increase per year the amount of oil shipped, even if that shipping has to be done by rail due to the rejection of the pipelines. There's no need to expand it any more, and that's one of the main reasons the investment money that propelled the late-90's and 00's phenomenon has dried up. There's no reason to invest in diminishing returns. The world is glutted right now. And even if a major war broke out again, which was another event that propelled the boom when the US attacked Iraq, the price still wouldn't reach the high level needed to justify more development. Any claim that there will be another construction boom to provide the background situation that would bring back those thousands and thousands of jobs is simply bullshit.

Right now Alberta's leadership is engaging in the same sort of thinking that the French had in the 1930's when they dreamed up the Maginot Line. We're prepping not just to repeat the last war instead of the next one, we're prepping the same battle plan that lost us that war in the first place. This will not work and the only success it will achieve will be in dragging us down into perpetual mediocrity.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:38 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Wouldn't want to. But it doesn't mean that what I said isn't true. They were out to get us and they raised untraceable billions of dollars to do it. And they won. It's over.

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So...you expecting a ticker tape victory parade in Toronto?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:02 pm
 


More like Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills CA.


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