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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:45 am
 


Title: Deal on Kapyong Barracks to be announced Wednesday
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Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2018-04-11 05:24:51
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For those not up on Canadian military history; The Battle of Kapyong saw 700 Canadian troops from 2nd Battalion Princess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry (2PPCLI), Along with Australian and New Zealand troops, defend against 5000 Chinese regular Army troops in 1951.

Kapyong Barracks was so named as 2PPCLI occupied the site until the early 2000's.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:48 am
 


Kapyong was Canada's Thermopylae. It was an incredible feat of arms which saw a little cluster of a few hundred Canadians turn back a whole Chinese division.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:21 am
 


Stayed at the barracks a few times when I was a kid in cadets.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:37 am
 


Sounds to me like your natives are extorting the government for a payoff in return for not opposing redevelopment of the property.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:41 am
 


BartSimpson wrote:
.....your natives are extorting the government for a payoff.....


Canada/Native relations summed up in one easy-to-understand sentence. :|


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:10 am
 


What a complete utter load of bullshit.

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Don't be afraid: Bellegarde
Assembly of First Nations National Chief Perry Bellegarde told the crowd that the City of Winnipeg should embrace the idea of a new urban reserve for the city.

"We have over 100 urban reserves in Saskatchewan, and they create jobs and employment opportunities and economic development zones," he said.



Here's the real truth about selling or "giving" land to Natives within the boundaries of cities.

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1) When the topic of urban reserves is brought up, some people seem to have irrational visions of dilapidated reserve homes suddenly popping up in the middle of cities like Winnipeg. I say irrational because without a doubt, aboriginal communities seeking to start up urban reserves have their eye on the prize - maximizing revenue from developing property and running businesses on that land. Why would anyone spend a fortune to buy land in a big city and then let it turn into one of those visions of dilipatated homes? I just don't see that happening.

2) Media coverage to date in Winnipeg seems to have missed the point when it comes to urban reserves. Urban reserves play by a completely different set of rules than those living and work on land around it. There are no provincial or federal income taxes on urban reserves. Suddenly creating an urban reserve in a big city, and giving it a significant taxation advantage, is hardly fair to the businesses around it that have to compete under a higher tax regime.

Just imagine if your business had to pay income taxes and your employees had to pay income taxes while your competitor across the street (and its employees) didn't face those same costs? Doesn't really seem fair does it?


And here's the reasoning:

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"A second consequence that arises once land acquires reserve status has to do with tax exemption. Section 87 of the Indian Act stipulates that First Nation properties on reserves are exempt from paying municipal or any other level of government taxes, and they are also exempt from paying school levies. The exemption from taxation can provide reserves with a competitive advantage in creating economic development since band councils can establish taxation and user fees that address their own development objectives. For example, they could lower taxes in order to attract businesses or to provide First Nations ventures with advantageous costs of doing business.

There are some additional advantages to creating urban reserves for the purpose of economic development.16 Businesses located on reserves are eligible for business assistance programs offered through Indian and Northern Affairs, Canada. They also have access to various sources of First Nations investment capital. Finally, First Nations employees who work on reserve are not charged income tax on on-reserve earnings, enhancing the ability of businesses on reserves to attract well-qualified employees."



https://www.taxpayer.com/blog/food-for- ... n-reserves

Not only do they get a pass on paying any type of taxes but they get financial aid and assistance to ensure they can do that. WTF?


So, could someone explain to me why these native bands should get all the benefits of owning land and businesses within cities they never paid to help develop and will never help to maintain while putting other non native businesses at a distinct disadvantage?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:19 am
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
https://www.taxpayer.com/blog/food-for- ... n-reserves

Not only do they get a pass on paying any type of taxes but they get financial aid and assistance to ensure they can do that. WTF?


So, could someone explain to me why these native bands should get all the benefits of owning land and businesses within cities they never paid to help develop and will never help to maintain while putting other non native businesses at a distinct disadvantage?


Because it's 2015.

or 2016.

or 2018

summin like that.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:46 am
 


At first glance, I thought this was about the Kapyong Barracks at Griesbach here in Edmonton, but those were bulldozed a couple years ago to make way for a subdivision.

Fortunately, Canada Lands Corporation made sure all the roads in Griesbach are named for battles in our history, including Kapyong Avenue.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:39 pm
 


"Details of the progress will be shared during a Wednesday press conference at Assiniboia Downs. "

I'm probably wrong but the math in my mind immediately goes 'Assiniboia Downs = Horse Race track + First Nation Indians = Casino.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:43 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
For those not up on Canadian military history; The Battle of Kapyong saw 700 Canadian troops from 2nd Battalion Princess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry (2PPCLI), Along with Australian and New Zealand troops, defend against 5000 Chinese regular Army troops in 1951.

Kapyong Barracks was so named as 2PPCLI occupied the site until the early 2000's.


Spent the years 94-05 there.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:15 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
For those not up on Canadian military history; The Battle of Kapyong saw 700 Canadian troops from 2nd Battalion Princess Patricias Canadian Light Infantry (2PPCLI), Along with Australian and New Zealand troops, defend against 5000 Chinese regular Army troops in 1951.

Kapyong Barracks was so named as 2PPCLI occupied the site until the early 2000's.

I've never heard of this battle. Thank you for the link!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:39 pm
 


Jabberwalker wrote:
Kapyong was Canada's Thermopylae. It was an incredible feat of arms which saw a little cluster of a few hundred Canadians turn back a whole Chinese division.


Except the defenders are Thermopylae were massacred to the last man. Thankfully a different outcome in Korea.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:01 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Jabberwalker wrote:
Kapyong was Canada's Thermopylae. It was an incredible feat of arms which saw a little cluster of a few hundred Canadians turn back a whole Chinese division.


Except the defenders are Thermopylae were massacred to the last man. Thankfully a different outcome in Korea.

Damned close thing. The Princess Pats were calling artillery down on their own positions.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:01 am
 


Jabberwalker wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Jabberwalker wrote:
Kapyong was Canada's Thermopylae. It was an incredible feat of arms which saw a little cluster of a few hundred Canadians turn back a whole Chinese division.


Except the defenders are Thermopylae were massacred to the last man. Thankfully a different outcome in Korea.

Damned close thing. The Princess Pats were calling artillery down on their own positions.


That's perhaps why the US awarded the whole Battalion the Bronze Star for that battle.

Even they were probably going "That's f'n crazy!" 8O


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