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The point being, increasing a speed limit is not done by the rule 'well, everyone speeds anyhow'.
Well.. except historically, it has been.
https://www.ite.org/technical-resources ... ed-limits/The 85 percentile rule is a thing for a reason. I didn't just drum it up.
I didn't think you made it up. But did you read some of those other links? Third paragraph, first link:
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More than 9,000 deaths — 26 percent of all crash fatalities — occurred in speed-related crashes in 2019. High speeds make a crash more likely because it takes longer to stop or slow down. They also make collisions more deadly because crash energy increases exponentially as speeds go up.
Raising speed limits leads to more deaths. People often drive faster than the speed limit, and if the limit is raised they will go faster still. Research shows that when speed limits are raised, speeds go up, as do fatal crashes.
Enforcement of speed limits helps keep speeds down. Traditional enforcement, which relies on police officers to measure speed with radar or other technology, has been joined recently by speed cameras. Speed cameras have been shown to reduce speeds and crashes.
https://www.ite.org/technical-resources ... ed-limits/Tricks Tricks:
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And you don't see how #1 and #2 are related? The posted speed LIMIT is the LIMIT.
That section spells it out. Slower traffic must use the right lane, faster traffic may use the left lane to pass.
No one is allowed to speed past the LIMIT. It says exactly what I think it does.
No, it doesn't. You quoted that law in response to this:
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Drive in the GTA and tell me people should be charged for driving in the passing lane. You'd effectively make the traffic problem around Toronto 30% worse.
Nothing was said about speed. You can drive in the left lane going the speed limit and not be charged with that. There is nothing in the ontario HTA that I'm aware of that says the left lane MUST be kept clear for passing. What you cited does not say that. It merely says you can't use that lane if you're driving below, presumably, the speed limit.
Read it again. Nothing is written about speed, because there are posted signs limiting the maximum speed you can travel, and is in another statute. That is understood as law. But the important parts are the exceptions:
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147 (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.
Translation - you must drive in the right lane.
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Exception
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a driver of a,
(a) vehicle while overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction;
Translation - You can use the left lane for passing only.
And it's also not just my opinion.
https://globalnews.ca/news/1863905/onta ... ing-lanes/I gave you the link to the statutes so you could keep reading, to the next one:
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148 (1) Every person in charge of a vehicle on a highway meeting another vehicle shall turn out to the right from the centre of the roadway, allowing the other vehicle one-half of the roadway free
Vehicles or equestrians overtaken
(2) Every person in charge of a vehicle or on horseback on a highway who is overtaken by a vehicle or equestrian travelling at a greater speed shall turn out to the right and allow the overtaking vehicle or equestrian to pass.
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08#BK250Seems pretty clear. The left lane is for passing. The right is for driving.
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Red herring. Safe driving is not cannabis smoking. In fact . . .
To you it isn't. To someone else it may be comparable. You are not the paragon of what is considered for the public good.
Never claimed to be. But I do have some experience in the operation of a motor vehicle at speeds is it not designed for, and operating on surfaces that are designed for speed and how to design them for speed. And what happens if they are not designed properly.
The argument you are using implies one case justifies the other. Just because cannabis was legalized does not mean speeding will be, or has to be. They aren't related. Speeding just isn't enforced to the degree it should be, because of lack of funding for police.
You can see this in the prevalence of photo-radar, where the only consequence of your actions is monetary.
In my youth, I once got 3 speeding tickets in 3 provinces on the same day. I maxed out at 13 of 15 demerit points. One more ticket would cost me my license, and I got a letter from the province to that effect. That changed my driving habits very quickly.
Having cops pull people over emphasizes the point that speeding is unacceptable.
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