[DerbyX]

Eisensapper wrote:

Put them in solitary if they refuse, Im sure its not that easy though...

I wish we had somebody on this board with actual experience to provide some answers to our questions because they would probably be able to answer most of them.

It must sound so simple to us because we don't know what its like from a guards perspective. Its entirely possible they allow a certain amount of "rule-breaking" because it pays off in the long run by making for a safer and better workplace for them.

[TattoodGirl]

Eisensapper wrote:

Put them in solitary if they refuse, Im sure its not that easy though...

They can hold that over their heads....
Problem with that is if they are detoxing, you need to give medical attention, monitoring of vitals, medications...etc. In solitary they could die, and that opens up a whole can of worms...lawsuits being the biggest. You also have to remember, they go into solitary for a couple days and they piss clear...out and back at it again. Better to focus on stopping the traffic coming into the prisons and revamping the treatment options in prisons.

[poquas]

DerbyX wrote:

It must sound so simple to us because we don't know what its like from a guards perspective. Its entirely possible they allow a certain amount of "rule-breaking" because it pays off in the long run by making for a safer and better workplace for them.

I've dealt with both sides. From the inmates perspective, it's often just a matter of biding their time, getting whatever they can get away with, without getting nailed (literally and figuratively) by the guards or the other inmates. There are huge percentages of mentally ill people (FASD, Bipolar, psychopathic/sociopathic) that are living in prison. Those are the ones that should be isolated and treated where possible.

The guards mostly express fear. They know that in many cases they don't have control or authority to maintain the order that they’re supposed to.

The idea that a prison sentence will reform someone is a myth. It’s rare that anyone comes out with a serious attitude adjustment for the positive. It certainly does instil the fear though that they don’t want to get caught again.

[ridenrain]

I'm less and less concerned with reforming prisoners than simply taking them out of society. Jails should definately be drug free however.

Where is Sherif Joe when you really need him?

[poquas]

Less jails would be a good idea too.

That would be easy.

1) Put the mentally ill in a secure treatment facility where they can be helped.
2) Keep the serious offenders in a tightly structured prision facility.
3) Hire a large squad of cops to rid us of the repeat, violent offenders and gang members like in Magnum Force. Where's David Soul when you need him?

[Choban]

This problem is as old as jails themselves, it has always been a problem in any corrections system. Only one problem is that the guards are underpaid, an inmate distributing drugs has no problem paying off an officer to look the other way.
The problem as I see it is our prisoners have too much freedom on the inside.
Derby has a good point, guards probably do look the other way if they feel it will keep the calm in genpop.

[Choban]

[quote="poquas
The guards mostly express fear. They know that in many cases they don't have control or authority to maintain the order that they’re supposed to.
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Good point! What's the prisoner to guard ratio in most of our prisons. I'm surprised anyone is willing to be a guard these days. Control is an illusion the inmates can wipe out anytime, certain freedoms and a blind eye here and there can go a long way to keep that illusion viable.

[ridenrain]

poquas wrote:

Less jails would be a good idea too.

That would be easy.

1) Put the mentally ill in a secure treatment facility where they can be helped.
2) Keep the serious offenders in a tightly structured prision facility.
3) Hire a large squad of cops to rid us of the repeat, violent offenders and gang members like in Magnum Force. Where's David Soul when you need him?

"Soon you end up shooting people for jay-walking.
Found a new way to city hall Briggs? "

Love that movie!

Maybe when vancouver turns into Mexico or Columbia but by then, we won't be running the death squads. They'll be run by the gangs because they have the money.

Vancouver Police Chief Jim Chu was saying today that these thugs don't fear the police or the legal system. Their more worried about being caught by their opposition than by the cops.
While we can never be as ruthless as ther competition, we can be far more relentless because time is definately on our side. We can mark these little bastards and bust their ass on every thing from littering to tax evasion, and we can do it for the rest of their lives. With effective prosecution, we can sieze what they own, and use that to legally drive them into the ground.
We could if we had a legal system that cared about anything more than money, or judges that cared about crime instead of pushing a "drugs are cool" agenda.

[Yogi]

[quote="DerbyX"]

I wish we had somebody on this board with actual experience to provide some answers to our questions because they would probably be able to answer most of them.

It must sound so simple to us because we don't know what its like ...
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It sounds simple because it is simple!


Before I put my ass on the line here, I would preface any following statements with; 'Who I was then is not who I am now. I did what I had to in order to survive.'

[Yogi]

DerbyX wrote:

One common method is "hooping" your drugs before you go in.

The term is 'suitcasing'!