[Newsbot]

Title: Family of man killed on Greyhound bus pressing for 'Tim's law'
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: llama66
Date: 2009-03-03 08:11:52
Canadian

[stemmer]

It is time we as a civlized nation put the rights of the viticm first over the rights of the perpetrator...

I am very annoyed by the liberal left who claim the perpetrators of these crimes are the true victims and the victims of the perpetrators are collateral damage...!!!!

IMHO Li forfeited his membership into humanity when he carried out this crime...

[raydan]

We put people in jail partly for punishment, but more important in my mind is to protect the general population from this person.

In the case where a person has committed a crime because of a mental condition, the same logic holds, he should be put away (prison - mental institution) to protect others... and he should stay there until he poses no threat to society.

I'm beginning to think that habitual criminals should just stay in prison. Isn't there some island somewhere we can dump them on?

[stemmer]

Yes...but I don't think Newfoundlanders would want them either...

[Axeman]

raydan wrote:

I'm beginning to think that habitual criminals should just stay in prison. Isn't there some island somewhere we can dump them on?

How about Vancouver Island?

[Robair]

raydan wrote:

In the case where a person has committed a crime because of a mental condition, the same logic holds, he should be put away (prison - mental institution) to protect others... and he should stay there until he poses no threat to society.

That's the way it works now is it not?

[raydan]

Robair wrote:

raydan wrote:

In the case where a person has committed a crime because of a mental condition, the same logic holds, he should be put away (prison - mental institution) to protect others... and he should stay there until he poses no threat to society.

That's the way it works now is it not?

Oxymoron - a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly"

...or "The Canadian justice system works"

[martin14]

Robair wrote:

raydan wrote:

In the case where a person has committed a crime because of a mental condition, the same logic holds, he should be put away (prison - mental institution) to protect others... and he should stay there until he poses no threat to society.

That's the way it works now is it not?

Yes, but who can 100% guarantee he is no longer a threat ?
I guess thats the whole idea, to make they don't get out; and I'll support that.

[Akhenaten]

The defense wants Vincent Li to be institutionalized. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he already institutionalized, released and that's how he ended up on the Greyhound bus in the first place?

I mean sure, obviously his walls don't quite reach the ceiling, if you know what I mean, but how is this protecting us?

[roger-roger]

I thought he immigrated, lived at a church for a while with his wife, got a janitorial job, then went to work at the Klondike Days fair. The reason he was on the bus was because he was returning with the other seasonal fair workers.

[Akhenaten]

I'll look for a link but I was under the impression he had been institutionalized previously and wasn't taking his meds. I'm pretty sure it was the victim that was working at Klondike days.


EDIT: OK he was institutionalized but only for 4 days. My bad.

Quote:

Court was told Tuesday that Li's common-law wife, Anna, said the man previously spent four days in a psychiatric ward.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=702288

[Robair]

criminal insanity

A mental defect or disease that makes it impossible for a person to understand the wrongfulness of his acts or, even if he understands them, to distinguish right from wrong. Defendants who are criminally insane cannot be convicted of a crime, since criminal conduct involves the conscious intent to do wrong -- a choice that the criminally insane cannot meaningfully make.

When the police caught hime, he apologized and said please kill me, I'm guilty.

Sounds like he knew the difference between right and wrong direclty after comitting the crime. So are they saying he was unconscious one minute and conscious the next?

He should get the Paul Bernardo treatment. One tiny, heavily guarded cell for the rest of his life.

[kenmore]

People who are mentally ill and are truly found NCR are incarcerated in a forensic unit of a psychiatric hospital. they are sentenced and sent for treatment of their illness and rehab. If they are truly ( usually are) mentally ill with schizophrenia or bi-polar disorder or psychopathic they would not benefit to be placed in the general prison system. Some prisons do have psych units and some offenders are sent there. Our system of justice allows for rehabilitation for offenders who commit crimes. It is difficult and finding one NCR is difficult and diagnosis shouldn't be made by one psychiatrist even if they are experts in the field.

[Dayseed]

Robair wrote:

criminal insanity

A mental defect or disease that makes it impossible for a person to understand the wrongfulness of his acts or, even if he understands them, to distinguish right from wrong. Defendants who are criminally insane cannot be convicted of a crime, since criminal conduct involves the conscious intent to do wrong -- a choice that the criminally insane cannot meaningfully make.

When the police caught hime, he apologized and said please kill me, I'm guilty.

Sounds like he knew the difference between right and wrong direclty after comitting the crime. So are they saying he was unconscious one minute and conscious the next?

He should get the Paul Bernardo treatment. One tiny, heavily guarded cell for the rest of his life.

For once on a criminal matter, I completely agree with you!