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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:15 pm
 


Title: Farage claims pro-Brexit momentum after divisive UK vote
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2019-05-27 18:07:03


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:15 pm
 


Britain had their elections for Members to the European Parliament and the Brexit party of Nigel Farage was the big winner.

I wonder if those wanting another Brexit vote will grab a clue from that.



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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:23 pm
 


Of course he would say that. His head is so far up his own ass, if he were in Alabama it would be illegal to remove it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:15 pm
 


Elsewhere in the EU elections there was this:

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The [populist]-right and nationalists in Italy, Britain, France and Poland came out on top in their national votes on Sunday, shaking up politics at home but failing to dramatically alter the balance of pro-European power in EU assembly.


https://globalnews.ca/news/5320443/eu-p ... ionalists/

Le Pen's party beat Macron's in France. That may be a sign of things to come.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:27 pm
 


The results of EU elections are very rarely mirrored in national elections.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:16 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
Elsewhere in the EU elections there was this:

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The [populist]-right and nationalists in Italy, Britain, France and Poland came out on top in their national votes on Sunday, shaking up politics at home but failing to dramatically alter the balance of pro-European power in EU assembly.


https://globalnews.ca/news/5320443/eu-p ... ionalists/

Le Pen's party beat Macron's in France. That may be a sign of things to come.


In some ways yes. More hard and far right parties won as did hard and far left parties. Centrists and moderates lost. That seems to be the trend for the foreseeable future.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:43 pm
 


CTV -- divisive vote.... :lol: :lol: :lol: very nice lefty writing the article.

Do you notice, they don't publish a table of results, and 'almost a third',
instead of "31%", much much more than anyone else.

See, 31% from one party is a 'divise win', but 38% for the Lieberals is
a 'resounding Lieberal majority victory'.

'single issue party'... has been in existence for 6 weeks. :lol:


One thing about the lefties, they know how to sling the bullshit. and how to 'lie'.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:51 am
 


Thanos wrote:
The results of EU elections are very rarely mirrored in national elections.


The EU past is no mirror of the current situation where populism is currently sweeping Europe.

I think the question you really want to be asking of history is can populist movements be successful. Let's ask Trump.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:31 am
 


Opinion piece from the American Thinker (Don't like it? Don't care.)

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The stunning results of the European parliamentary election are pretty entertaining stuff, given that supercilious, arrogant, disdainful bureaucrats such as European commissioner Jean-Claude Juncker are going to get a roomful of people like Brexit leader Nigel Farage. Remember this? Couldn't happen to nicer Eurotrash. Now it's coming at him in spades, from not just the United Kingdom, but Italy, France, Poland, and Greece and other places that just aren't happy with his little power-to-me project.

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The greenie gains seem to be roughly parallel to the rise of "vanguard" Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The stronger trend, though, and still seemingly dismissed in the press, is that multiple countries, most strongly Britain, have chosen to go with Trumpian nationalist parties, taking aim at the supranational governing body that is supposedly all in for what's euphemistically known as "European integration," which actually means rule by unelected European Union bureaucrats over the elected leaders in one's supposed democracy. That's a fine pickle for that self-congratulatory body to find itself in — Europe's voters have top-loaded it with enemies of the entire project.

Why does that happen? Well, because countries are being submerged and ignored when they try to change anything. They're being flooded with illegal migrants, for one; people can neither assimilate nor be happy in the countries they are entering illegally, and these people are rapidly harvesting these countries of their resources and paying them back by committing terrorism against them. They're seeing their economic growth going anemic by the E.U.'s hideous overbearing regulations, and some, such as Greece, are suffering from Europe's Germany-led monetary policy, which cuts them off from their competitive advantage of a weak currency. It was nice to see Greece's voters throw its hard-left socialist party Syriza out in this bargain.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... urope.html


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:16 pm
 


This one is worth watching just for the charts where he adds everything up.

Leave the EU won. Remain in the EU lost. Again!

This time decisively.

Chew on it.



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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 1:37 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
Thanos wrote:
The results of EU elections are very rarely mirrored in national elections.


The EU past is no mirror of the current situation where populism is currently sweeping Europe.

I think the question you really want to be asking of history is can populist movements be successful. Let's ask Trump.


When LePen becomes President of France or Farage the PM of Britain then you'll have a point. Until that actually happens in a national election, instead of them being mere also-rans again the way they've been multiple times already, your wishes mean nothing. You also keep discounting altogether that the left is just as likely, if not more, than the right to take power away from the center, even though it's happened multiple times in other places like Spain and Greece and again in Germany with the Greens. I don't know why you keep doing this, other than your innate ego-centrism once again making you incapable of understanding at all that waves can go in multiple directions and not just in the one you prefer.

Negative populist movements that appeal to the worst in people always have a certain degree of success. But that's dependent on who their opposition is much more than anything they're proposing. Trump won because Hillary Clinton was quite literally the single worst politician the Dems could have possibly chosen at that moment in time. Almost any other Dem, at least one much smarter on their feet and able to hit back at Trump, would have mopped up the floor with him. The existence of Trump is as much the fault of the Dems for their lack of imagination and their "it's her turn!" bullshit as it is the fault of the GOP for their willing embrace of conspiracist evil and decades-worth of open worship of
Mammonite scum like Trump.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:26 pm
 


Thanos wrote:
When LePen becomes President of France or Farage the PM of Britain then you'll have a point.


I'm not sure you understand my point. Perhaps you should hear it before you decide it doesn't exist.

Nationalistic populism is on the the rise in Europe. The fact the names you mention won in the MEP elections supports that.

You also have the evidence of Hungary, Italy, and I think Austria and Poland where Nationalist leaders did win.

We don't have to wait for Le Pen to be President of France or Farage to decide to run for leadership of the UK. The EU may crumble before that happens. Which makes me wonder, would you settle for that as support for the idea that Nationalistic populism is on the rise in Europe?


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 2:36 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
Elsewhere in the EU elections there was this:

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The [populist]-right and nationalists in Italy, Britain, France and Poland came out on top in their national votes on Sunday, shaking up politics at home but failing to dramatically alter the balance of pro-European power in EU assembly.


https://globalnews.ca/news/5320443/eu-p ... ionalists/

Le Pen's party beat Macron's in France. That may be a sign of things to come.


No wonder Macron wants to outlaw nationalist and populist parties.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:04 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
Thanos wrote:
When LePen becomes President of France or Farage the PM of Britain then you'll have a point.


I'm not sure you understand my point. Perhaps you should hear it before you decide it doesn't exist.

Nationalistic populism is on the the rise in Europe. The fact the names you mention won in the MEP elections supports that.

You also have the evidence of Hungary, Italy, and I think Austria and Poland where Nationalist leaders did win.

We don't have to wait for Le Pen to be President of France or Farage to decide to run for leadership of the UK. The EU may crumble before that happens. Which makes me wonder, would you settle for that as support for the idea that Nationalistic populism is on the rise in Europe?


Will you settle for the idea that this populism is nowhere near as strong as you think it is if LePen loses yet another election and Farage doesn't even get ten seats in the next British parliament? You can't claim it's on the rise when it gets defeated as often as it wins. Or when it only wins in minor-league countries (with a tradition of fascism) like Hungary or Poland but consistently loses in the huge countries like France, Germany, and Britain.


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 3:19 pm
 


Are you sure Farage is running? I was under the impression he Mickey Moused this Brexit Party together a few months ago, specifically for these MEP elections. Which btw, in case you hadn't heard...he won. :P

Now, does Marine Le Pen have to become president of France to prove nationalism and populism is on the rise in Europe? I'm not sure it does. So much more is happening in Europe. How does that work anyway? Can she win the election but lose the Presidency because there are so many other parties in France they can just collaborate against her? Have to ask Martin. Does she have to win the majority against all the rest of them? That's kind of asking a lot to support a point that should already be obvious.

The big one now though, is what's going to happen when Britain does actually walk away from the EU in October. That's when things can really start to happen.


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