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Title: First Nation wins injunction against commercial fishery on Haida Gwaii
Category: Political
Posted By: FFed
Date: 2015-03-07 18:41:30
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

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The nation says the ruling acknowledged the Department of Fisheries and Oceans has a "heightened duty" to accommodate the Haida, given their constitutional rights and environmental concerns.

Aren't these champions of sustainability the same assholes who went ahead and dumped Iron Sulfide into the ocean several hundred miles west of their traditional fishing grounds in a blatant violation of two international moratoriums?

Why the fuck we keep catering to these clowns is beyond me especially when they violate international moratoriums yet expect the rest of us to abide by their wants and desires. The only part sadder than their sense of entitlement is the fact that our judicial system allows and encourages them to get away with it.

[andyt]

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Last March, a Federal Court judge granted an injunction stopping the opening, saying the fisheries minister went against the advice of scientists in her own department.

You should be cheering this, because it's a chance to rebuild the herring stocks. It's just too bad it took FN spatial rights to stop it instead of good sense. Let's not repeat Newfoundland out here.

[Jabberwalker]

andyt andyt:

Let's not repeat Newfoundland out here.

You mean, let's defend our shores from massive foreign factory fishing fleets?

... 'cause that's what happened to Newfoundland. I saw it with my own eyes on and around the Grand Banks in the 1970's.

[andyt]

So the Newfies themselves bear no responsibility? Wouldn't the near shore fishery have remained productive then?

But yes, if it comes to it, let's defend our shores. In BC, that issue will certainly not arise, nobody's fishing 200 miles off shore. Not for herring and salmon, anyway.

[Jabberwalker]

Not so much, no. You have no idea of the immense efforts that the Soviet Union went to to vaccum the various banks of their fish. It is a testament to Russian incompetence that they had to loot every corner of the world to feed their people.

As I said, I am a witness. The Newfoundland fishery was small, local and not particularly "big" business. The Russians turned up with multiple fleets of trawlers escorted by huge factory mother ships. Each fleet had around twenty ships a piece and more than one was operating at any given time. They were aggressive, organized and the Trudeau government did little or nothing to defend Newfoundland's interests.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

So the Newfies themselves bear no responsibility? Wouldn't the near shore fishery have remained productive then?

But yes, if it comes to it, let's defend our shores. In BC, that issue will certainly not arise, nobody's fishing 200 miles off shore. Not for herring and salmon, anyway.

Just when you thought andy couldn't get any more stupid, he sets the bar even lower for himself.

[2Cdo]

martin14 martin14:

andyt andyt:

So the Newfies themselves bear no responsibility? Wouldn't the near shore fishery have remained productive then?

But yes, if it comes to it, let's defend our shores. In BC, that issue will certainly not arise, nobody's fishing 200 miles off shore. Not for herring and salmon, anyway.

Just when you thought andy couldn't get any more stupid, he sets the bar even lower for himself.

An absolute fucking classless moron who sucks up oxygen that more productive members of society could be using.

[Unsound]

I must be stupid too, what did andy say that's so wrong? I know very little about fisheries, so type slowly please

[andyt]

I've never heard about our fishing fleet going that far offshore for herring or salmon. OR anything else for that matter - I don't recall seeing large deep sea vessels anchored off the West Coast of Vancouver Island. Or the ports to support them. Same with Haida Gwai - I did work there, but admittedly not on the West Coast of Haida Gwai. But you'd think there would be a well known port there to support those vessels, and I'm not aware of any. I have spend considerable time in Prince Rupert, buddies with fishermen (they were hard to avoid there at one time) didn't see any huge offshore boats there either. I mean those boats would have to be big to go out long enough to be worth it, and no refrigeration ships to serve them they'd have to store all their catch. Also, salmon having to return to land to spawn aren't really open ocean species. AFAIK they mostly go up the straits to Alaska to feed (out of our jurisdiction) then come back down to spawn. Herring also, aren't really on their way to Hawaii, AFAIK. Halibut are ground fish, lots easier to catch in shallower water. I don't think we allow bottom trawling in Canada, I hope.

Since it's impossible to prove a negative, it would be great if Martin could provide a link to prove I'm mistaken.

[martin14]

Unsound Unsound:

I must be stupid too, what did andy say that's so wrong? I know very little about fisheries, so type slowly please

Europeans sucking dry the offshore fishing, but oh that wont affect the in shore fishery.

Like the fish don't move around, you know, they just sit on their ass like andy does.

[OnTheIce]

Unsound Unsound:

I must be stupid too, what did andy say that's so wrong? I know very little about fisheries, so type slowly please

Anything andy says is stupid. Don't need to dig too deep.

Print it out and wipe your ass with it. That's all his comments are good for.

[andyt]

We have Europeans sucking dry the fishing off our Pacific coast - new one on me. YOu do know where BC is right? Oh, wait, you said the fish move around - that's quite a move from the east coast to the west.

And is it your contention that the inshore fish off the east coast move around to the Grand Banks and back? Got a link for that. Funny then that everybody treats the two fisheries as totally different.

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A variety of factors led to the commercial extinction of northern cod in 1992. Increasingly efficient technology allowed fishers to find and harvest unprecedented amounts of cod, while stronger vessels allowed fleets from around the world to visit and work on the Grand Banks for months at a time. At the same time, regulations safeguarding cod stocks did not evolve alongside the world's ability to harvest fish, and governments or international bodies sometimes assigned quotas based on economic factors rather than ecological ones. Although conservation became an increasing concern after the 1960s, officials consistently overestimated the size of cod stocks and, as a result, also overestimated the amount of cod fishers could harvest at sustainable levels. This resulted in an overexploitation of northern cod, which ultimately forced Ottawa to impose a moratorium.

Before the moratorium, Newfoundland and Labrador fishers caught cod in inshore and offshore waters. The inshore fishery was a local industry that took place in the province's coastal waters, while the offshore Grand Banks fishery attracted fleets from around the world. International vessels were able to fish anywhere they liked on the banks until 1977, when Canada extended its jurisdiction to 200 nautical miles (370 km) from its coastline. This was an extension from its previous 12-mile limit, set by the 1970 Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones Act. Before that, Canada and many other countries defined their territorial waters as extending only three nautical miles from their coastlines – a convention dating back to the 18th century.


Although the cod fishery supported workers for hundreds of years, a variety of changes occurred during the 20th century that made the industry much less sustainable than ever before. Foremost among these were advances in fishing technologies that dramatically increased the ability of fishers to find and harvest large quantities cod. These included changes to vessel and net design, as well as the introduction of electronic navigational aids and fish-finding instruments.

In the inshore fishery, workers replaced small open boats with larger and more powerful decked vessels known as longliners. These vessels could travel further and faster than dories, punts, and schooners, allowing fishers to reach productive fishing grounds with greater ease than ever before. More efficient gear also became increasingly widespread in the inshore fishery during the 20th century and included large gillnets, box-shaped cod traps, and longlines – a single fishing line attached to hundreds of shorter baited lines.

Although overfishing in international waters did tremendous damage to northern cod, Canada also failed to maintain a sustainable fishery within its 200-mile limit. The government ignored warnings from inshore fishers and university scientists that cod stocks were in danger and chose to maintain quotas instead of scaling back the fishery, in large part to prevent economic losses and massive unemployment.

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/society/moratorium.html


If I understand your contention right, only Europeans overfished the offshore fishery, and since fish move around, all the inshore fish moved to the offshore to also be caught by those dastardly Europeans. Is that about it? The article above would seem to put a lie to that, or anybody who just wants to blame the Europeans. The Newfies cried like stuck pigs whenever DFO tried to limit their catches, and the DFO, playing politics, caved.

We've done our share on the West Coast too. Overfishing herring til it's all but gone, destroying salmon habitat so the runs are much smaller. Just shooting ourselves in the foot for greed. Seems to be a Canadian trait.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

We have Europeans sucking dry the fishing off our Pacific coast - new one on me. YOu do know where BC is right? Oh, wait, you said the fish move around - that's quite a move from the east coast to the west.

And is it your contention that the inshore fish off the east coast move around to the Grand Banks and back? Got a link for that. Funny then that everybody treats the two fisheries as totally different.

Holy crap are you ever retarded today.

Just stop posting today..... and tomorrow, too.

[andyt]

THat's all you've got huh? nothing to back you up at all. You might want to start by learning to read.